Obama Failure Thread Part IV

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  1. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    #3551 Schapes, Sep 13, 2012

    The first time Unemployment claims was up to 385,000. It is announced every Thursday at 8:30 AM ET. The four week moving average is 375,000.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/09/13/first-time-unemployment-ticks-up.html
    Health Care Reform - what happens when some of the states opt out? Which they can under the law. A big thank you to John Roberts. What happens in the States that opt out. Fine piece of legislation that only part of the country will have.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...edicaid-expansion-could-leave-many-uninsured/

    President Obama could have brought the troops home from both wars on January 21, 2009 ( the day after he was
    inaugurated). Think of the lives saved. Could have really saved a lot of money. Or, he had the House and the Senate. Could have funded those wars with Democrat control in both houses. Saved the debt.
    Maybe made good on the promise he can't keep of reducing the debt.

    Saved General Motors. When the government bought GM stock it was 50 dollars. Now it is around 20 dollars. That is one shrewd investment. Will he have to bail them out again?

    Number of terrorists attacks against US soil- 2. Libya and Egypt. Oops, you must have forgot to mention those. Or, are you not up on current events. The Embassies in foreign countries is considered US soil.

    As are aircraft carriers.
     
  2. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
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    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3552 ElJefe, Sep 13, 2012
    Whenever someone says that "cutting government" is the way to fix the economy and reduce unemployment, it's never explained to me how exactly that would ever work.

    If you reduce the number of government workers, you're saying that the way to reduce unemployment is to add to the number of people who are unemployed and looking for a job. If you reduce the expenditures through cutting benefits or less contract work, then you're essentially reducing the incomes of people and businesses, which, you know, doesn't exactly help stimulate the economy and hire people themselves. Apparently, the key step is "some magic happens."

    And what's more, conservatives themselves don't even believe in it. Hence all the caterwauling from their side about the "fiscal cliff." You want something that'll reduce the deficit and cut government? We've got it coming up in the 1st Quarter 2013. Be careful of what you wish for. You just might get it.
     
  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3553 superdave, Sep 13, 2012
    Which is larger, the fine the employer pays under the Republican system, or the fine the employer pays under Obamacare?

    This is a good example of what happens when you just regurgitate talking points...you don't think through what you're writing.
     
  4. luftmensch

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    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3554 luftmensch, Sep 13, 2012
    I think it has something to do with the Choom Gang.
     
  5. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    #3555 Schapes, Sep 13, 2012
    It means if President Obama gets his way everyone will be on Obamacare. He said in selling the program you can keep your insurance if you want. That is not true. Whether you keep your insurance is up to your employer.

    He knows almost all employers will opt out and pay the fine.

    That is what he wants.
     
  6. American Brummie

    American Brummie Member+

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    #3556 American Brummie, Sep 13, 2012
    We hadn't even finished with NC Soccer, and now you? This day is awesome!
     
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  7. luftmensch

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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    #3557 luftmensch, Sep 13, 2012
    Whether I keep my insurance is currently up to my employer as well. Why would they...? Oh nevermind....
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    #3558 superdave, Sep 13, 2012
    Source/link?

    Schapes, could you please stop being such a stupid ************************?

    Mods, I said "please."
     
  9. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    #3559 Schapes, Sep 13, 2012

    Show me the Republican system? Post a link please. Just shows when you throw things out there without back up.
     
  10. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    #3560 Dr. Wankler, Sep 13, 2012
    You're gettin' pretty emotional here, buddy.
     
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  11. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    #3561 Schapes, Sep 13, 2012
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3562 superdave, Sep 13, 2012
    status quo...that's why they never put forward anything under Bush.
     
  13. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    #3563 Schapes, Sep 13, 2012
    They would opt out because the fine for not providing coverage is less than what they pay for coverage.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    #3564 superdave, Sep 13, 2012
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  15. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
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    #3565 TheSlipperyOne, Sep 13, 2012
    Considering it's the biggest issue on the ballot in Colorado this fall, I'd say it's a pretty important question from a reporter in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
     
  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3566 Yoshou, Sep 13, 2012
    And whether or not I kept my healthcare insurance was up to my employer pre-Obamacare as well. Please answer the question. What stopped an employer from dropping their medical coverage pre-Obamacare?
     
  17. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
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    #3567 ElJefe, Sep 13, 2012
    And why would they do that now, when they didn't do that earlier, when they wouldn't have to pay a fine?
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    #3568 superdave, Sep 13, 2012
    That's not the issue. Why aren't they opting out NOW? Having to pay a fine to drop coverage will make them more likely to drop coverage? Use your ********ing brain for one goddamn second.

    Please.
     
  19. GiuseppeSignori

    GiuseppeSignori Member

    Jun 4, 2007
    Chicago
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3569 GiuseppeSignori, Sep 13, 2012
     
  20. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    #3570 Funkfoot, Sep 13, 2012
    Wow, a new nut job.
     
  21. Dr. Wankler

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    The Electric City
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    #3571 Dr. Wankler, Sep 13, 2012
  22. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
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    #3572 chaski, Sep 13, 2012
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  23. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    #3573 Yoshou, Sep 13, 2012
    And the fine is now $0, yet 45% of adult Americans are covered by their employer. Clearly the cost of a "fine" vs. cost of providing healthcare isn't an issue now.
     
  24. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    #3574 Schapes, Sep 13, 2012
  25. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3575 Minnman, Sep 13, 2012
    But he's been around for over a decade.

    Awesome, isn't it?
     
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