Obama Failure Thread Part IV

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  1. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    As I pointed out earlier, our company plans, as they stand as of right now will go up 12% and 14% if they remain exactly the same. I'd assume, some coverage will be dropped and/or co-pays go up in order to keep the rate increases reasonable.

    Face it. It doesn't remain the same. You are losing ground every year, getting less and less for more and more. And at a far higher rate than your pay goes up (if it goes up)
     
  2. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    Florida
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    Birmingham City FC
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    You can't guarantee that.
     
  3. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    That's why you can't use trending graphs. It is just coincidence.
     
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  4. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    Florida
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    How do magnets even work, anyway?
     
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  5. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    I don't know if it's false or not, that's the point. All I am saying is that, for me, the system works and works well. I have read what Brummie posted about the guarantees but I just don't buy it. Cynicism is something I have developed gradually.

    You can pin it on whatever you want but I just don't trust the government to do what they say they are going to do.

    Lastly, if you don't think they are real, ask around the Crew boards about me bringing them to games. I am a Crew Union member and sit at the bottom of the Nordeke with them a few times a year in the wheelchair section.;)
     
  6. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
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    like the tides, no one knows
     
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  7. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

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    blame it on Intelligent Design
     
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  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    Florida
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    Birmingham City FC
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    Nobody doubts that you have children, stanger. Everyone doubts that they are represented accurately, and everyone doubts that you remember the system as it actually is. Your 'cynicism' is veiled ignorance, not matured wariness.
     
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  9. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
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    May 12, 2009
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    Don't you mean cdesign proponentsists?
     
  10. Coyote-Trickster

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
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  11. Coyote-Trickster

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
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    Ain Nobody Got Time for That...

     
  12. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    I can't force you to believe anything, so that's that. And I am cynical because I have experience. Just because my experience doesn't fit what your charts and studies tells you doesn't mean it comes from a position of ignorance.
     
  13. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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    Fulham FC
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    Maddow: GOP basing its campaign on the strategy of intentionally taking Obama quotes out of context and twisting them to mean something completely different

    Note, each example has a link to back it up.

    If you're the DNC, how do you counter this... blatent, cynical lying ass bullshit?
     
  14. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Isn't what all the outsourcing jobs stuff the DNC is using is?
     
  15. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    DC United
    I have a funny feeling the counter will be blatant, cynical, lying-ass bullshit.

    PS. How's that minimum wage hike coming along?
     
  16. nicephoras

    nicephoras A high quality person

    Jul 22, 2001
    New York
    Unlike Brummie, I don't think you're using your children as a shield against supporting policies you secretly don't like. I truly believe that you're concerned about your kids welfare. I totally buy that. It doesn't however, make it any less callous towards anyone else struggling with at disease without health insurance. Where does this attitude stop? Your argument works equally well against desegregation ("can you prove my kids' schools won't get worse?"), civil rights ("can you prove they won't elect politicians who'll make it worse for me?"), any kind of social assistance ("can you prove this won't reallocate any resources away from me and my family") - literally, almost any policy. If the status quo being good for me was the only consideration, we'd still have slavery ffs!
    So ultimately your position is, I've got mine, ******** the rest of you. Now, I may not be up on my Jebus for Dummies, but I'm fairly certain the sermon on the mount went a bit differently.
     
  17. nicephoras

    nicephoras A high quality person

    Jul 22, 2001
    New York
    While I don't consider Romney's tenure at Bain a big deal, there is a legitimate question to be asked - Romney remained the legal owner, CEO and President of Bain during that time. He can argue that the Democrat claims are not correct, but there's at least an honest question there. The Romney campaign's use of a clearly out of context statement is, however, as disingenuous as it gets. At this point we're shortly going to get a campaign ad that's as good as the Homer babysitter interview.
     
  18. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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  19. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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  20. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    Agreed. With both sides taking statements and histories out of context we are in for a really nasty election cycle. Each and every point made from either side needs to be researched for truth becore it's believed. It's one of the reasons so many people are so disconnected from the process.
     
  21. Kobranzilla

    Kobranzilla Member

    Sep 6, 2001
    NY F'in City
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    FC Barcelona
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    United States
    so you agree that the Bain question is a legitimate one.
     
  22. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    I agree that there are inconsistencies on when he left and gave up control. And even that doesn't really have much relevance because the bigger point the Dems are trying to pin on him is the outsourcing, which is total crap.
     
  23. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    I'm not, NYS will go blue so I will not be subjected to the ads.
     
  24. nicephoras

    nicephoras A high quality person

    Jul 22, 2001
    New York
    You're missing the key difference though. Whether or not you believe outsourcing is a problem or not is a policy question. You may not - someone else may. That's a policy disagreement. The Romney campaign using Obama's quote completely out of context is not a policy disagreement - it's just pure deception.
     
  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    It's not a policy question when put into the following context:

    • The “Come and Go” ad casts Romney as a “corporate raider,” but that term, loaded with negative connotations, is simply inaccurate. Bain didn’t engage in hostile takeovers when Romney was at the helm.
    • That ad also repeats the claim that as governor of Massachusetts, Romney was “outsourcing state jobs to India.” But it wasn’t the state that outsourced contracts. Rather, Romney vetoed a measure that would have prevented the state from doing business with a state contractor that was locating state customer-service calls in India.

    Both are being dishonest in an effort to deceive voters.
     

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