Nuevo técnico: especulación

Discussion in 'Chile: Selecciones Nacionales' started by MetroChile, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Could be sometimes, but not always. Its not uncommon for teams with small defenses to actually have a higher defensive line, since smaller defenders are usually faster. I agree with the other posters, height helps, but it´s not a requirement for us to do well, since most of our goals (at least under Bielsa) have not been due to lack of hight. Which is why i am more than happy that Medel is going to the back 3.
     
  2. SIN DIOS NI LEY

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Dejalo mejor en que es poca la gente de todos los tamaños que practica deportes y por ende, hay poco de donde elegir.
    En lugar del lema que diste tu perfiero este: "Chile, país de pajeros" .

    Me gustaría que cambie la mentalidad porque no es de mi agrado que la plata de nuestros impuestos vaya a parar en el costeo de enfermedades relacionadas a la obesidad.
     
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  3. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
  4. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    :D
    Yo que tú, lo último por lo que me preocuparía es que la plata de nuestros impuestos vaya a parar en eso.

    Lo más probable es que termine financiando las campañas electorales de los políticos y no estoy "weveando" con respecto a esto último.
     
  5. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Bielsa didn`t pack up our defense at the back. He prefered to go for a tight pressing over opponents at almost 4/5 of the pitch, and fast movement of the ball in possesion, which is a completely diferent strategy of defending (not always effective though). With tight pressing at all points of the pitch, the lack of height of defenders is minimized, but nevertheless, it still relied 100 % in whatever Ponce did at aerial plays, whenever opponents managed to pass the ball over our defenders.
     
  6. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    True, it´s what everyone here agrees with, but still, the goals have not been due to lack of height.
     
  7. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I don`t agree.
    Many goals came after the ball was pivoted through a header and also after our defense was caught out of position by staying to close to the goal line, specially in corner kicks and free kicks near our area, and that can also be blamed on the lack of height of our defenders. I remember 5 through direct headers in past qualifiers though, not 2 : Paraguay's second and third goals, both by Da Silva in Chile, Brasil's first goal in Chile (Luis Fabiano) and Ecuador's goal back there (strangest issue, is that their lowest player beated our defense here : Benitez), and at last, Brasil's third in Brasil (Nilmar). Also the first goal of Paraguay in Chile, came after a headed pivoted ball by Aedo and kicked in by Cabañas, and the third Brazilian goal in Chile came after a ball that was won at the air by Luis Fabiano, and afterwards kicked in by him in our goal net. Another mention is the Peruvian goal in Lima also came after a lost ball in the air and a series of rebounds afterwards. In summary, 8 of the 22 goals (36 %) that Chile allowed in, last qualifiers had their origin in high balls lost, over our goal area.
    Anyhow, you're free to have your own opinion on the subject.
    ;)
     
  8. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Sampaoli dijo hace 1 hora atrás que ha habido negociaciones con la ANFP, pero que no está tan seguro que se llegue a algún acuerdo. Además dijo que no todo depende de él, ya que debe haber además un acuerdo entre la ANFP y azulazul, y que es falso que el domingo sea anunciado como nuevo DT de la Selección, porque no hay ningún acuerdo.

    El Cruzeiro también lo quiere.
     
  9. SIN DIOS NI LEY

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Cruzeiro, llevese a Sampaoli y me olvido del Cuatro-zeiro de la SuperCopa.
     
  10. zasal911

    zasal911 Member

    Sep 1, 2000

    WHAT?

    What's the reasoning here? how does being a few inches taller change your defensive positioning in open play?
     
  11. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Very simple.
    As you give advantage in some aspects of the game, in order to minimize risk due to this advantage you must take a more cautious position, or else your opponent will "kill" you precisely where you are weaker or giving them some sort of advantage.
     
  12. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    It´s not always the case, sometimes teams actually push up with smaller defenders.
     
  13. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile

    El pivote de Valdes, en el primer gol de Paraguay, fue porque le ganó la posición y despues un horrible actuar defensivo. Un jugador más bajo en lugar de Valdes hubiese hecho lo mismo, o al reces, si el defensa chileno hubiese sido de dos metros, hubiese pasado lo mismo. El segundo y tercero es cierto, mal defensa y los ganaron en la altura. El de Nilmar, tendria que haber sido un weon de 5 metros para poder impedir eso, no fue culpa de la altura. Finalmente, el de Ecuador fue culpa de Bravo. Esos 8 de 22 es extremadamente rebuscado.

    Pero como dijiste tu, estas libre de tener tu opinion al respecto.
     
  14. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    So...any chance we could get back to talking about possible coaches for our NT? Or are we still going to feed rickdog's ego while derailing this thread?

    There is a thread where you guys can discuss defenders and height.
     
  15. SIN DIOS NI LEY

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    This is rich coming from you
     
  16. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    True, 42th time i fall into Rickdogs trap hahaha.

    Anyway, al parecer no esta 100% confirmado, pero no sé por qué me tinca que es puro cuento de las dirigencias. Sampaoli ha estado listo por semanas.
     
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  17. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Look who's talking.

    Anyway...

    No sé si quizás este sea el link más adecuado pero generalmente aquí se han hablado de las posibilidades en cuanto a defensas se refiere.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/los-mejores-centrales.665780/page-4#post-25427518

    Quizás algunos estimen conveniente tener una trenza dedicada exclusivamente al tema de la estatura pero no creo que sea buena idea desvirtuar esta trenza (del nuevo técnico de Chile)...
     
  18. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    So, now I started to derail this thread ?

    Shit, both of you guys have a very big lack of a sense of self criticism here.:rolleyes:

    The first one who started talking about diferent types of defenders and not about a particular coach, was you, Yañez in post number 79 in this thread, which was followed by post 83 by you, Metro, where Chewie, started quoting you, which was eagerly answered by you, metro, in many posts afterwards, before I even said any word here. All I did here, is pointing out my opinion here regarding our nation being formed mainly of dwarfs (post number 94, almost 10 posts after both and many of your owns), related solesly to defending, to what you guys started discussing about afterwards. All I`ve done here, is politely answer your own replies regarding the subject in question, afterwards.

    If there is any "ego", being satisfied here, it is both of yours own, Yañez and metro.

    Don`t blame on others your own faults, for this matter.........
    :rolleyes:
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    What most intrigues me, here, is that according to yourself, metro, I`m suposed to be in your ignore list ......................,:cautious:
    why should you even care for whatever I say, if I`m suposed to be there ?
    Or is it that you only like to gossip or discredit, whatever things, that others say ?

    If there is anyone with some sort of "ego" problem, maybe you should simply look at a mirror in order to find the responsible one.......
     
  19. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Sure, but it implies assuming a risk in doing so, by leaving more space behind your backs, which also enables opponents to play in a bigger field which facilitates many plays of being done, if your defenders get surpassed by them.

    As a coach, if you can pull out with it, with no harm being done on your team, well, ....... great !!!. But if you don`t, you'll be held fully responsible and the only one to guilt for whatever happens to your team afterwards. (many heads have rolled among diferent coaching staffs in the world, due to this issue). This is very similar to how el "loco" Abreu, kicks his penalty kicks : If he succeeds in it, scoring it, he gets to be called a geniouss, but if he fails doing so, all he gets called upon it, is about how "stupid" he was. :p
     
  20. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Thats a deep analysis from a post i was just kidding, hence by the "hahahaha", anyway can´t believe you have the time to go back and check all the posts. Anyway, if it was me than it´s my fault, nothing else, nobody died or anything no need to get so serious ;) Now we are getting out of topic again so kind of ironic.

    Back to the topic, the faster Sampaoli is confirmed, the faster things can happen in Universidad de Chile, which im assuming have the trainer almost ready too, despite of what they say.
     
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  21. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    That's why I just put him on my ignore list, though sometimes he makes good posts.
     
  22. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    lots of spelling errors before anyone says something.
     
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  23. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    It's hard to believe you that you ever do so, as you keep on saying this same thing over and over again (sounds like playing a "scratched" vinyl record)
    :p
     
  24. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Don`t worry much about that.
    I have the same problem, reasons why I must edit my posts many times after being written.
    Only to find out the next day of when I wrote and edited them, many times, that there are lots of mistakes still remaining, but can`t be edited any more (it's somehow, frustrating not being able to edit the post after the 20 minute time-frame).:cautious:

    At least, despite english not being our native language, we speak and write it much better than many english speaking native people do so.;)
     
  25. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    No one should correct your spelling because this is a forum, not a classroom. We come here to debate and share our views. So no worries, homie.
     
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