Alert: Next decades Netherlands will be the new Hungary of Europe. Once great, but slipped into mediocrity.

Keizer is doing real things there. Can't wait to see development of Ezra Walian, maybe even Justin Kluivert, Gino Dekker, Eiting, Dankerlui, Sanniez, Pelle Clement. Perspective players.

 

Ajax is above creativity. Whisper From Heaven probably. Maybe I am subjective, hard to emphasize those emotional chambers.

 

I think you're missing two of our best defenders

 

Which defenders? Kongolo, Karsdorp? Netherlands changes a lot of players, many of them are young and unseen among club elite. So it's not easy to follow Dutch directions.

 

By the way people, who would you compare V.Janssen to ? The first times I saw him playing I compared him to the young Koevermans and people to Kuyt, but he is definitly a different type of player than both I think ...

The way he uses his body remind me a bit of Diego Costa, he has great feints too.

Would anybody agree or find better comparisons ?

 

Be happy if I didn't associate myself at all with Ajax right now




I kid......I kid

 

He reminds me on Benzema a little, in those situations of one touch, fast reactions, but his height provides him space to keep the ball, maybe Fernando Torres in previous years.

 

Van Dijk is easily our best defender right now. And Karsdorp looked fantastic his first two games

 

While we have gone to shit on most positions, our options for the right back position isn't that bad..

- Daryl Janmaat (Injured)
- Kevin Diks (Bench)
- Sandy Walsh (starter)
- Rick Karsdorp (starter)
- Kenny Tete (bench, but unjustifiably)

That's not bad at all.

 

Brenet Brenet Brenet

We have 4 decent options for the RB with Janmaat, Karsdorp, Tete and Brenet

 

I don't find him to be that good.

 

Better than Diks and Walsh though

 

I like Brenet, IMO he will be the best RB since a modern FB has to attack more than defend which makes it difficult for Tete!

 

From what I have seen no.
He a decent on the attack (though kind of dumb with the ball), but more importantly, he is not a good defender. Both Diks & Walsh are defenders, I want my RB's to be defenders first.

 

I watched Brenet recently with Jong Oranje. He was impressive. Looks like a dutch Maicon.
Don't forget Haps, the best linksback in the Eredivisie this season. There are some good players in the domestic league who are overlooked. I think of Haps but also Ehizibue, Ayoub of course, and Luckassen.

 

https://decorrespondent.nl/5422/ste...ks-de-jeugdopleidingen/1617395851368-bce690be

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-rangers-were-ready-join-9081189

Dutch agent Rob Jansen: “In 1999, I worked with Celtic to prepare a plan that was so revolutionary, everything would have changed in football. In secret I spoke with Rangers , Ajax, PSV Eindhoven, Feyenoord, Porto, Benfica, Sporting Lisbon, Anderlecht, FC Copenhagen, the top clubs from Switzerland and Celtic too obviously. They would all have left their national leagues. We created a giant fictitious country of more than 60 million people by combining these teams. We had multinational companies ready to sponsor us, we knew how we would sell the TV rights, how the payments would run, the arbitration was settled, the infrastructure.”

 

Do you think the decline of the Dutch game might coincide with the decline of our subtop teams? For example, mid level teams like Groningen, FC Utrecht, AZ, Heerenveen, Vitesse now have 0 ability to hold onto anyone that has some quality for longer than a few years before they switch to some obscure team in Turkey, Russia, Ukraine etc. The ability to hold on to players who would be decent for them is pretty much gone. If these teams were able to have somewhat decent squads, the players in the top teams like ajax, psi, feyenoord get much better experience and would be able to make the jump to a higher league easier. But nowadays the quality gap between the eredivisie and other higher leagues is just so much larger than it used to be. Just a thought.

 

The "Eredivisie" was the only league or the league with the highest profit on transfers, 85 million Euros, iirc.

 

Vitesse funnily enough would be the one far and away with the most ability to hold on to people. More so than Feyenoord even. That the people in the incredibly shady ownership type situation they have decides to not make Vitesse too good doesnt mean they are unable to.

A big part is also that the best players of those teams will usually not make a smaller step upwards to fey/ajax/PSV first, again financial reasons.
When I think of the Eredivisie players who do well in the BPL for example, they all spent alot of time in the Eredivisie and were quite mature. None of the ones shipped off after just 1 or 2 good seasons made it as far as I know. Luckily all the 16 year olds we ship to england turn out great.

 

You forgot the so I fixed it.

 

About Vitesse ... can't find the study any more but IIRC that kind of model isn't that bad ... instead of the bigger clubs in Europe just raiding the smaller clubs for anybody that's over 16yo and has a bit of talent ... there's a long-term commitment ... structural cooperation in which the parent clubs shares a lot of know-how (Chelsea have plenty), helps financially, loans players that would otherwise be impossible to get, etc. ... the concentration of top talents should help them push each other to become better than in a less competitive environment (also helping the homegrown talents).

Struggling Beerschot, back when they were on financial drip from Ajax, saw the likes of Dembele, Nainggolan, Vermaelen, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, et al. come through in no time ... Beerschot also had a great scout ... IIRC it was GBA's chairman at the time who said that the players/flops that Ajax sent over were worse than what remained at Beerschot ... and that's after Ajax took all of their players that were at least half decent ... if this deal looked more like the Vitesse one, it could have been a big success for both parties ... I heard that Beerschot are working with PSV now ... the parent club probably should be a bigger one though.

 

Found an old article on the 2010WC run.
http://news.nationalpost.com/sports...ld-cup-success-in-rejection-of-total-football
Dutch find World Cup success in rejection of ‘Total Football’

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REUTERS/Dylan MartinezNetherlands' Wesley Sneijder (R) celebrates with teammate Giovanni van Bronckhorst after their 2010 World Cup semi-final soccer match against Uruguay at Green Point stadium in Cape Town July 6, 2010.

Even though the Netherlands has endured the title of World Cup underachievers since the Oranje lost back-to-back finals in 1974 and 1978, the Dutch look upon the players of those failed teams with much pride.

Players such as Ruud Krol, Rob Rensenbrink, Johnny Rep, Rene and Willy van de Kerkhof and unassailable Johan Cruyff are considered paragons of the most alluring kind of soccer, “Total Football.”