Without passing any judgement as I don't know what happened here, but reality is extortion based on blackmail is one of the oldest tricks, and to this day it still works like a charm, more especially on people who have a lot to lose by allegations. Maybe I live in immoral country but husbands/boyfriends/companies always do these sort of transactions whenever they feel going through the process might be too much of a risk to their reputation. So paying is not necessary an admittance of guilt, at least as far as I'm concerned. Also the amount should be looked in context, for majority $340k is a lot of money but for someone with potential of £1 billion lifetime sponsorship from just one sponsor that's nothing, and it's probably worth it to protect the image.
Somebody said here now she will make money with interviews , a book .... get her 26 mins of fame . That’s why it’s interesting that she is doing the exact opposite by leaving her home and going into hiding.
Modric has Ballon d'Or locked down, nothing is going to change that as journalist will have to explain themselves to the public if they vote otherwise. Contrary to your opinion on Modric's yesterday's performance I happen to disagree as imo he's been playing that way for probably 90% of the games since the beginning of 2017-218 season, even in the CL with probably two standouts games like that Bayern game where he had to help Lukas Vasquez at right back who was being torn apart, and of course the Argentina game and imo the last 20 minutes of England. These claims that Modric deserves the awards is just fiction. Reality is people are tired of two players hoarding all the awards between themselves thus making other players just participants in this era. So Modric will win that award with his 2 goal and +-5 assists, which are just better than what Iniesta used to put in 3 consecutive years when he was considered closer to Messi and Ronaldo, and he never got sniff of the award.
I saw her lawyer claiming that she considered committing suicide, isn't that drastic. I'm not minimizing the impact of rape on women but based on the statement and chain of events I don't see how this was as dramatic to a level of considering suicide... Maybe I'm insensitive to think that they looked way too comfortable with each other to lead to one of them considering suicide if sex happens. Just saying
You're right, you're insensitive. You should know that everybody is different. Some people can cope with traumatic event better than others. It's not her fault.
I know everybody is different, I'm just using chain of events as they are unfolding, and making my own interpretation. Probably the same way you are assuming it is a FACT that it was traumatic event for the accuser. The only difference between me and you is that unlike you or me2 movement I've taken a stance that a person is innocent until proven guilty by courts. This means when claim is made against @celito anyone has a right to believe or not believe accusers' claims without saying the accuser is lying. Unfortunately the current climate makes anyone who questions insensitive, a prick, etc because it will create a good image on social media for those who criticize those opinions
That's because you didn't write your post clearly. It reads as if even if even if she was raped, it seems dramatic for her to think about suicide. You're trying to draw some conclusion about her reaction to the event based on video footage before it may have happened. It makes no sense. Why would she be uncomfortable or repulsed by him before anything she described happened ? You're trying to conclude she wanted to have sex based on that footage which is something you just can't do if you've ever been in a night club. All that video may do is show if she lied a little bit about with regards to her description of the events leading up to the act. Obviously when I say traumatic event, it's based on the assumption it happened. I don't pick sides, I've said it before I wouldn't be surprised either way ... if he did it or if she is lying. I can't speak for others, but in my view, the way some people may question some of these claims is what makes them a prick, not the fact that they poke questions.
@celito first you have to establish it is a fact she was raped before you say that @DazerII is insensitive for thinking she is overreacting By implying she has had a traumatic experience you are essentially saying ronaldo is definitely a rapist with your assumption being based on unsubstantiated news reports (Btw rape is definitely a traumatic experience-I’m not talking from personal experience but testimony I have heard from yazidi victims who were raped by their Isis captors) There is a transparent court process in first world countries and a man is innocent until proven guilty,always remember this. You,leadleader and co are effectively acting as judge,jury and executioner. If der speigals news report was the smoking gun how come he hasn’t even been charged by US authorities (does ronaldo and his old director florentino Perez also have the feds in their pocket in addition to FIFA,UEFA...NASA!!)
We’ll probably never agree on this, but imo I see nothing wrong with me thinking that if at some point I see you (couple of hours before the alleged incident) appearing to be so happy (sexually enticing) with someone &.... after the alleged incident or whatever happened after that point now you even want to commit suicide!!! I’m not an expert on how rape victims should behave but based on the facts available it sounds dramatic. In a way I think the lawyer is lying on that point. Otherwise imo she was going to push for criminal case irrespective of how difficult it is to prove. Note that I don’t question the lady but I think the lawyer is being dramatic to influence public opinion. I’m not saying she wanted sex, I’m talking about how comfortable they looked (based on that video) to get to a level of one of them wanting to commit suicide. The comment of “if I’ve ever been in a nightclub” is childish.
Just take out @leadleader out of this if you want anything rational on Ronaldo. He’ll probably be throwing a party if further news emerge that it was actually a gang *incident* involving Ronaldo, Zidane, and Ramos.
LOL You called him insensitive for saying that the alleged victim wanting to commit suicide was an overreaction It is correct rape victims cope with trauma differently but it isn’t even conclusive she was raped in the first place. Your point about girls grinding up on you in a nightclub is also stupid I go clubbing every week,Ibiza and Mykonos at least twice a year.To me you sound like a man has no experience with woman. She couldn’t take her hands off him even when they weren’t dancing together (it is clear from the footage). He invited her to the VIP and it is clear she came for him(and I don’t think just to get his autograph)
Check out this legal document., Excuse copy and paste ~~~~~~ This document could have serious consequences for Ronaldo. It was sent via email in September 2009. The sender was a lawyer from Osório de Castro's firm. The recipients were Osório de Castro himself and an additional colleague. (In the document, Ronaldo is referred to as "X" while Kathryn Mayorga is referred to as "Ms. C.") In response to the question as to whether Ms. C. ever raised her voice, screamed or called out, X responded, according to the document: "She said no and stop several times." In the document, X says that she was lying on her side. "I entered her from behind. It was rude. We didn't change position. 5/7 minutes. She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available." And further: "But she kept saying 'No.' 'Don't do it.' 'I'm not like the others.' I apologized afterwards."[/B]
That can definitely be the case. Impossible to know. I really don't follow you. I mean, it seems like you're saying that based on that video and how comfortable she looked, that whatever happens afterwards cannot have that sort of traumatic consequence on her. It makes absolutely no sense. I'd say also that it's quite interesting that it's OK to question Ronaldo's decision to pay 350k and make the case that he is innocent and just doesn't want media attention but question her decision to not press criminal charges and not consider that at the time she was advised and convinced that it was a no win situation for her. And that it would only bring more stress to her life because she would be attacked and shamed. Perhaps her state of mind was that it was better to not be in public eye in any way.
LMFAO (You forgot to include florentino Perez aswell) Yes that would the equivalent of all his birthdays,Hanukkah,Christmas,eid,Easter etc
I never said it was. So STFU. His statement reads that even if she was raped, her supposed trauma is an overreaction. Yeah that's insensitive as fuk. Good for you.
Dude this sounds very cryptic to me (like something from the xfiles) Is this document even admissible evidence in Court?
If there is such a document and those statements were made by Ronaldo (and it's not out of some crazy context as to not completely change the meaning) what would you think ? Regardless if it's ot admissible in court, given such documents may be stolen.
^ This. ^ This. You Carlito are no judge, jury, and executioner, are you? Your irrefutable - as demonstrated by your Ibiza and Mykonos education - your irrefutable expertise on women, means that all you need to further convince yourself that your hero is the real victim here, is a few seconds of video of Ronaldo and Mayorga looking like 80% of the people in any night club, especially a 'what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas' night club. So you already know that Celito has no experience with woman, and that Mayorga definitely wanted Ronaldo's dick all night long. It's a sad thing that you aren't part of the jury as you would've cracked this case wide open on the basis of a one minute long video. "Miss Mayorga you clearly have no experience with woman, and it would be unfair and unrealistic for me to expect that you would understand that you clearly wanted some of Ronaldo's dick in your life, especially that night, as demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt by this one minute video here. Case closed." ^ Again this. Effectively acting as judge, jury, and executioner, but in reality all I did was elaborate on the fact that Ronaldo does not quite celebrate goals scored by players who aren't himself, Ronaldo didn't go to Modric's UEFA Best ceremony, Ronaldo didn't go to Modric's FIFA The Best ceremony, Ronaldo wouldn't go to any ceremony where he himself isn't crowned, Ronaldo wouldn't allow one single free kick to Roman Riquelme if they both ever played at the same club (even when Riquelme was statistically a significantly superior free kick specialist, especially after the 27 year mark), Ronaldo is the type of guy who says "I'm leaving Real Madrid" when the rest of his teammates are celebrating the Champions League Final, etc. Ronaldo clearly is an extraordinarily self-absorbed person (he is very much an outlier in that regard even when compared against all the relatively self-absorbed millionaires that play around him), and to think that he is the type of person who would readily accept failure or rejection as handed out by a woman who he thinks adores him and is ergo playing hard to get by saying 'no' but at the same time 'making herself available'... well it's just ridiculous to assume or even convince yourself that Ronaldo is the innocent party here, given Ronaldo's own admission that she said 'no and stop several times' and given Ronaldo's known tone-deaf personality. If Ronaldo weren't the protected asset that he is, he'd be getting a lot more exposure. You being an expert on women are in fact very insensitive, in fact, egregiously insensitive when it comes to at least trying to understand just how difficult it is to offer 'smoking gun evidence' on a rape, especially a rape where the rapist was arguably one of the most protected emerging brands in the world in 2009. (1) Miss Mayorga was photographed with Ronaldo by paparazzi at a club the night before the alleged incident. (2) The morning after the alleged incident, Miss Mayorga went to the police and said she had been anally raped by a "famous athlete" but she didn't want to give his name because she was scared of reprisals. (3) Miss Mayorga performed a rape kit which found evidence of significant bruising and laceration around her rectum. (4) 2 weeks after the alleged incident under heavy interrogation, Miss Mayorga admitted to a police officer that her rapist was Cristiano Ronaldo, but begged the officer to please not file charges against him because she was afraid of him. (5) Several months after the incident, Ronaldo's sponsorship group paid Miss Mayorga $375,000 in return for signing a non-disclosure agreement. (6) By the end of July, it was clear that it was serious. Several lawyers had become involved in the case by then, including one based in California who had represented several prominent personalities in court. Ronaldo's lawyers discussed what the best course of action might be. A list containing hundreds of questions was submitted to Ronaldo, his brother-in-law and his cousin. In the document, Ronaldo is referred to as "X" while Kathryn Mayorga is referred to as "Ms. C." There are several versions of the questionnaire. The questions remain more or less consistent on all of them, but the answers do not. In one version from December 2009, Ronaldo speaks of consensual sex and that there had been no indication that she wasn't OK with it during sex nor did it seem that she wasn't doing well afterward. But there is another, much earlier version. It is the document that could have serious consequences for Ronaldo. It was sent via email in September 2009. The sender was a lawyer from Osório de Castro's firm. The recipients were Osório de Castro himself and an additional colleague. In response to the question as to whether Ms. C. ever raised her voice, screamed or called out, X responded, according to the document: "She said no and stop several times." In the document, X says that she was lying on her side. "I entered her from behind. It was rude. We didn't change position. 5/7 minutes. She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available." And further: "But she kept saying 'No.' 'Don't do it.' 'I'm not like the others.' I apologized afterwards." Overall: There is an admission by Ronaldo himself... There is inconsistency by Ronaldo himself, who gave two entirely different versions of whatever really happened that night... There is 'rape kit' evidence... There is a 375,000 non-disclosure agreement... But you, Carlito, appear to be a person who doesn't accept any form of evidence short of giving you a warm and fresh sample of Ronaldo's seminal fluid, assuming that Ronaldo was reckless enough to rape and then unload all over her ass; you appear to expect irrefutable evidence of a fuking rape, as if the rapee is - while getting raped - investigating the scene trying to search for some air-tight evidence that would convince men like you. You are insensitive as hell. Honestly, this might be a bit of an exaggeration even for a metaphor but, if this was a murder case, Ronaldo would be in jail right now, because the gun that Ronaldo used would've been tracked somehow, which with the supplement of Ronaldo's documented admission would close the case before the case even began. On the other hand, with rape victims, the gun is literally part of the human anatomy, meaning that by and large it can't be tracked, meaning that even with Ronaldo's admission, the case is still in essence a she said versus he said argument, and when that happens you need to hit double-digit raping to get caught like Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, or Kevin Spacey (not a rapist, but a serial creep). So that is why Ronaldo has not been aprehended by US authorities, because the percentage of rape victims that have won a case against an incredibly powerful white man, are very few and far between. I Honestly think that Mayorga should've kept her mouth shut as nothing good will come from this, for her, I expect.
Not to mention she could've already been depressed or had a traumatic event happen to her before the video. The idea that if someone is smiling and seeming to have a good time then they can't be depressed or suffering is ignorant to say the least.
The modern media is the equivalent of those guys who used to run around with pitchforks and torches burning witches because somebody from the next village said they saw a woman with a cat talking to the devil. If there is evidence then let it be proven in a court of law, it's partly why they were invented to stop the witch hunts by the local population with half a brain. Btw I don’t seem to the see the same backlash against untouchables maradona and Pele who were proven criminals. Pele defrauded millions of charitable donations through his foundation and maradona was/is a serial woman beater (with video footage) If you tell me you never listened to mj/or were/are a fan of his your probably lying Even though he admitted to liking to sleep with kids-in other words he was a creep at the very least and a serial child rapist at worst (in an interview he admitted to sleeping with kids and that it made him feel like a child again LMFAO and he also made an out of court settlement to a 10 year olds family for child sexual abuse)these are all verifiable facts just can’t be bothered to do the research. And Tyson a convicted rapist who after he was released from jail was confronted by a male journalist about his past and what was his response “Come say that to my face white boy and I’ll bend you over and f**k you in the ass” I bet most of you (the ones who are boxing fans)love mike or at the very least appreciate him for what he was during his prime The most devastating puncher in boxing history(he was the r9 of boxing) And we can go on Bottom line ronaldo is never given the benefit of the doubt on this forum Double standards are applied whenever he’s involved You guys with the exception of a few are hypocrites As far as I’m concerned (until proven otherwise)the only rape victim of ronaldo is F.C. Barcelona(18 goals in 9 seasons) Barcelona fanboys are still but hurt and
That's a pretty bad road for you to head down. #desperado You really want to talk about the head-to-head games between Madrid or Barca while Ronaldo was at Madrid? There is very little for Barca fans to be butthurt about apart from the goal Ronaldo scored in the 2011 CdR final and the 2012 goal that helped Madrid secure the title. Most of those 18 goals were in competitions that Madrid/Ronaldo ended-up losing in the end, or were scored in preseason Super Cup matches that people forget about a few weeks later (in fact, all but 2 fall under one of these 2 categories).
It's always been like this, or been like this for a long time. There are just more outlets and more voices. Even non media voices ... general public on forums and social media. Of course if it comes to it, it will go to the court. But people will take their conclusions as always regardless. Think of OJ Simpson. That was in the 90s and everybody thought he was guilty even if he was found innocent in criminal court. Way different times. Plus people here don't care about Pele nor Maradona. There is no ratings in it. And importantly, there are no charges. Which you seem to ignore. Nobody cared about Bill Cosby, until there were a bunch of charges. So stop with the victim hood like Ronaldo is being picked on. And everybody thought he was guilty and a fukin weirdo. His fame got pretty hurt in the US ... not as much internationally. How is he not being given the benefit of the doubt. Please explain. Is he in jain ? Has he already lost sponsorship ? Has Juventus "fired" him ? They actually backed him. Barca got the best out of Madrid / Ronaldo more often ... so no butt hurt. Stupid statement. His goals against Barca in La Liga weren't that many. Like 7 or 8.