NEW USMNT KITS & CREST

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Lucho305, Feb 6, 2016.

  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I prefer to play it safe and save for the 2026 kit.
     
  2. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Let's go Chicago Fi.....City?
    Jan 9, 2004
    3 blocks from "SoccerHouse", Chicago
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    From what's leaked so far, Nike did an amazing job with this year's WWC kits. The red England one is my favorite so far.
     
  3. ATLfirefan

    ATLfirefan Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 8, 2005
    Norcross, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The new USWNT kits for the World Cup remind me of the pageant drag queens. Girl, take one thing off.

    If it had one less design element, I'd love them, but instead, they look super busy.
     
  4. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's wimpy enough for Barca...

    But my god, I sometimes am concerned for my screen getting burned out with those kits.
     
  5. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Hey, the US has played in all white for much of its history. Sure, various dorky things have been done with stripes and hoops and such (and don't forget those great 1994 kits!), but the base has been mostly or all white for a while now. Don't mess with it.
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It used to be the England uniform but with the US shield.
     
  7. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't want an all-white kit. Find a way to get some stars or stripes on there, and stick with it. Waldos looked good. The sash ones weren't bad (only Peru does a sash). And the bomb pops were great, if initially derided.
     
  8. Semblance17

    Semblance17 Member+

    Apr 27, 2013
    Lighthouse Point, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no problem with a predominantly white kit. I do have a problem with a predominantly white kit in which red and blue are intentionally and shamelessly substituted with the sponsor's brand colors, and even the crest is stripped of its color.
     
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  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Memphis, Tn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    white shirt, navy shorts, white socks for our homes. always. second kit? go nuts. well...nuts so long as theyre white, navy and/or red. get off this royal blue nonsense for sure. id prefer a deeper red, too, but that hasnt gotten out of control. im not against black or grey.

    my point being i think we DO have a "traditional" look. oh, england also wears white/blue/white too? who gives a f?

    so, white/navy/white. aways? waldos. all navy. never primarily/all red...say red/white/navy. throw in a sash every now and then if you have to. third kit with the waldos- update the 94 navy with stars. the red/navy gold cup hoops were nice.

    its not that hard.
     
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  10. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    dorky hoops?! The Waldo is still the best ever!

    All white is just too boring for me and too much the same as England. I still want our primary/home kit to stay the same basic design, and my preference is the Waldo red hoops. Just my opinion that I haven't changed in a long time now. I want a 1st kit that is unique and immediately identifiable as USA, like the other big teams have. With all white, that doesn't happen.

    Second kit should vary between different combinations of red and blue. The last 2 away kits (all red and all blue) I think were very good, even excellent. It's not unusual at all for even the "big" teams to have completely different colors for their second kits, although they tend to rotate between the same few colors. It's the third kit where they should let Nike go wild, anything goes.
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The hoops are awesome, even though it's more like a rugby shirt, but IMO it'd make us different from everybody else who wears red, white, and blue (the most common colors in flags, too --people have no imagination).
     
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  12. TKyle

    TKyle Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Wuuuthington, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #912 TKyle, Feb 4, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2019
    I do love the Waldos. We need something that makes the USA easily recognizable--like Brazil's yellow, Argentina's albiceleste stripes, the Netherlands' oranje, Croatia's checkerboard, etc. Since a large proportion of our flag is the stripes, and since it is so identifiable (only Liberia and Malaysia also have red and white stripes on their flags, btw), of course this is the perfect element to use. Heck, I'd even go for vertical stripes. (Yeah, I know that's Paraguay's thing, but it's Paraguay. Who cares? It's not even part of their flag!)

    HERE'S THE PROBLEM:

    When the USA plays teams that wear red jerseys or white jerseys, we will probably have to wear blue. Wearing red and white stripes against a team wearing red jerseys or white jerseys will "clash," or will not be enough contrast.

    I recall that, when we wore the Waldos, there were quite a few games where I wondered why we wore blue and not the stripes. I didn't really put it together until watching Croatia in this past summer's World Cup.

    Croatia has worn their red-and-white checkerboard pattern for years. At this past summer's World Cup, their "first colors" had a red-and-white check pattern jersey, and their "second colors" had a blue-and-black check shirt. In their run to the Final, Croatia played a total of seven games. They wore their red and white checks only twice--in matches against Nigeria (who wore green) and France (who wore blue). They wore their blue-and-black check jerseys in their other 5 matches--against Argentina (who wore their sky blue and white stripes), Iceland (who wore white), Denmark (who wore white), Russia (who wore red), and England (who wore white).

    In CONCACAF, a good chunk of the games we play are against Costa Rica, Panama, Trinidad&Tobago, and Canada. All four nations have red first colors and white second colors. So, home OR away, we would have to wear blue. This would also have been the case with Cuba until recently. Also, currently, Honduras, Guatemala, and Martinique wear white as their first colors, so as an "away" team we would be in blue. (As you know, if the jerseys don't clash, sometimes you can wear your first colors even if you're the "away" team.)

    The "problem" doesn't end with CONCACAF. There is a LONG list of other nations that (either always or at this point) wear red or white for both first AND second colors. These include Chile, Peru, Spain, Portugal, Wales, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria, Turkey, England, Poland, Serbia, Czech Republic, Egypt, Tunisia, Iran, China, and South Korea, among others. Furthermore, if we're the "away" team, we'd be wearing blue against "white teams" such as Germany, Ghana, Senegal, Algeria, and Iraq, as well as "red teams" like Belgium and Morocco.

    I went back on Wikipedia and looked at the 2013 Gold Cup--during which we had the Waldo jerseys. We wore them in games against Belize (wore blue), Cuba (wore blue), El Salvador (wore blue), and Honduras (wore predominantly blue with white stripes). We did not wear them against Costa Rica and Panama (who both wore red).

    As much as I love the red and white hoops, they wouldn't be worn as much as many of us would like to see.

    That IS one nice thing about the current white US jerseys that have the red (turning blue) stripes. Since they are predominantly white, we can wear them against "red teams." Since their release, the USWNT has worn these white jerseys with the red stripes in games against nations wearing red, including Canada, Mexico (who wore red-???), Panama, Trinidad&Tobago, and Chile.

    I WANT us to wear red and white hoops or stripes. But, to actually see us wear them with any regularity, they would have to be as a component of an otherwise white jersey. Going forward, jersey manufacturers (how long is our contract with Nike?) should certainly be able to add prominent red stripes using different designs to otherwise white jerseys. Have the numbers be in navy blue, and pair with navy blue shorts, we'd have an awesome look.

    (Also, if our "primary colors" have a predominantly white shirt with red stripes, I'd rather see us wear red instead of blue for our "secondary colors." Supposedly there is some psychological advantage that teams wearing red have against their opponents--and supposedly Jurgen Klinsmann wanted the USMNT to wear red for this reason, which we did at the 2014 WC. Red also will absorb less heat from the sun than navy blue, while playing in the hot sun of San Pedro Sula and other places. If we do wear blue, it should be the navy blue of our flag, not the royal blue that were on the "bomb pop" jerseys or on our current white jerseys. And NOT anthracite OR black, unless it's a rarely-worn special 3rd kit!!!)
     
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  13. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think this is accurate at all. My understanding is the home team wears the kit of their choice (normally their traditional home kit) and the away team has to come up a contrasting colored kit. That's why home and away kits are contrasting. I don't think the teams you listed have the same color red home and away, it doesn't make sense. What happens when they play each other?! Plus, teams now all have a third kit with another different color. I also think if a team wears white we could wear the Waldos as the red really stands out.

    Plus, we play many more of our friendlies at home that most teams, because the revenue is higher (which is why Mexico plays so many of their friendlies in the US). I think we'd easily be able to wear the Waldos >50% of the time.
     
  14. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @TKyle ok I did a bit of research (really little) and now I see your point better, it's a good observation. I was not able to find a photo of Croatia wearing their iconic red and white checkerboard kit against a team in all white (I didn't look that hard though). I did find a Copa America photo of Paraguay in their red/white stripes playing Peru with their white kit with the red sash, which I must admit could have been confusing.

    So, point taken. But as a Waldo fan I'm still ok with it. I mean it works for Croatia, right?
     
  15. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Eventually we'll be able to use technology to make players of teams different, because frankly it limits the selection of color available.

    Basically you need all-light and an all-dark kits, to contrast with the other guys, and your real kit gets relegated to a third option.

    With a bit of tech, we could have the "home" team highlighted with a thin green aura, for example, for broadcasts --that in the near future, for sports, is going to be completely computer-based, too.
     
  16. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Let's go Chicago Fi.....City?
    Jan 9, 2004
    3 blocks from "SoccerHouse", Chicago
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    the FOX TRAX glow puck should come back and be used in more sports.
     
  17. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Fox blue glow puck thing is the worst thing ever developed to "enhance" sports viewing. As opposed to the yellow first down stripe for gridiron football, where the developer fully deserves the Nobel Prize.
     
  18. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They brought back a version of it in the NHL All Star Game. It wasn't as brightly colored and couldn't track the puck in the air, though.
     
  19. 30Something

    30Something Member

    Jun 3, 2004
    5280 Feet
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny fact: The same guy that developed FoxTrax, also invented the yellow first down marker (as well as baseball pitch tracking, NASCAR tracking, etc.). His name is Rick Cavallaro, and he cofounded a company called Sportvision. I read an article about him a few years ago, where he said that developing a similar type of broadcast enhancement for soccer is the holy grail.

    As an aside, the puck was never meant to look like a glowing blue glob on the screen. They developed that visual for testing purposes only, and FOX told him they would fix it up before going live. FOX never fixed the graphics, left it glowing blue, and the rest is history.
     
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  20. SteelyTom

    SteelyTom Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Boston, MA USA
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've never gotten why Nike hasn't developed a kind of classic look/template for the US after succeeding so brilliantly at that with Brazil and Croatia. It's a metaphor for USMNT's status in world football, transient and unmemorable.
     
  21. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Let's go Chicago Fi.....City?
    Jan 9, 2004
    3 blocks from "SoccerHouse", Chicago
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Brazil is literally just the color Yellow. It's no different than when Diadora, etc had the contract before them. It's no different than, say, the Netherlands. Croatia started using the checkers before Nike got involved too.

    I seriously never understand this critique.
     
  22. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah it's really up to USMNT to put their foot down and tell Nike to stop screwing around and settle on a signature for the primary kit at least. I'm sure they'd rather go along for the $$$ though.
     
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  23. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Oki, J-pan
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't make $$$ if it always stays the same.
     
  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    From what I remember colored lines were implemented in video games before they were implemented during broadcasts.
    I remember NFL blitz had yellow and red lines for the line of scrimmage and first down markers way before any telecast had it.
    It would be funny if that development team just stole the idea from the video game developers and claimed it to be their own idea. (Although I have heard stories that they had patents before the video game had it, but I will still always wonder.)
     
  25. TKyle

    TKyle Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Wuuuthington, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s not entirely true.
    You can go with a white shirt with red stripes and change the design from cycle to cycle.
    Brazil, Mexico, Argentina (and on and on) seem to do just fine recycling the same basic design.
     
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