First, thank you for invite me to this thread. Second, all of this is true. I am not surprise that a Croatian nationalist will pretend this did not happen. As someone who family land was stolen from these fascists, this is real for me. Gypsies and Jews were targets of Croatian nationalists and is no grand secret that Serbians considered to be of the Gypsies to this people. These Croatian fascists, ultranationalist and terrorists were only stopped by communist regime and apologists for this movement will never regard this fact. I am happy to answer any questions, and I thank you for invite me here again.
I see that some limp wrist here has brought in a few unregulars and sock accounts to come help a damsel in distress ....this coming from the same guy who beforehand accused others baselessly of trying to get him banned . when no one reported anything or linked anything to anyone....then limp wrist goes around openly asking for phat to be banned ( amongst other things ) based on an article he posted....cretin....and now this show for everyone to see in plain sight Btw Leon , you never answered my question before . @totti fan, you're a fan of China right? So do you agree with Musulini when he said he wasn't worried about the jews but the chinese? Except I think he worded it differently.
This is far from knowledge....ordinary reading, a little bit between the lines, logical understanding with common sense. Like this, we could make pages and pages about every post-communist country and the alleged transition process. There is no transition, only compromise with communist leaders. Allow us that we build your roads, that we exploit your natural resources (wind, water, oil, gas), let us that we install our banks, telecommunication companies, allow us concessions on your highways, airports, railroad...and you can remain in power. Communists only agreed to save their positions and influence. Totti Fan either ignored everything, but being aware about everything....or he just didn't know anything. In both cases, it's bad for him. If post-communist countries have capitalism, why can't we make connections with resemblance on some other country, like: Canada, USA, 12 old EU countries, Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia (France)... He could just compare Martinique, Guadeloupe with Cuba. https://best-citizenships.com/2019/05/29/10-richest-caribbean-countries/ The poorest countries in Europe: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-poorest-countries-in-europe.html Why would capitalism strike only these post-communist countries? How come capitalism protects authentic capitalist countries? This is conspiracy where Totti Fan believes that some evil powers wanted to destroy the sacred communism. Also, when western countries notice that these countries are corrupted....what can they do? If these guys offer themselves on a tray? Free healthcare: If 1000 of people in one state has the same illness. All 1000 need the same medical procedure. There is a waiting list, which is formed based on the date of first exam, diagnosis. Edgar notices that he is on the 800th position in that waiting list. What he does? He gives 500 EUR for bribery to his medical doctor, so that he accelerates the waiting list. Be hold, Edgar came on 50th position. But others paid more, because they have more money. Basically you pay the medical service just slightly under the procedure in private clinic. This was always present in entire Yugoslavia. He can ask this in Australia, if he knows anyone from ex-Yugoslavia. He could mention the two golden words: "blue envelope", or "plava koverta". They will laugh on that, how he knows this eternal medical bribery. Place 500, 1000 EUR in blue envelope and expect normal treatment. Those who don't pay, they wait longer and eventually die. https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/16855-too-long-waiting-lists-for-some-croatian-patients https://www.dw.com/en/balkan-medical-system-gripped-by-endemic-corruption/a-43572500 The same is with free education at universities. Edgar has two children, they both want to study, but they don't have excellent evaluations. So, Edgar decides to call his communist party influential member. Maybe he knows someone at university. Bring the papers Edgar, says the influential member. If one university program has 200 places and we see 1000 of applications. Numerous of applicants have similar grades. Guess which criteria is next? Is he from "good" family, are his parents members of the party before 1990? Free things don't exist. Economy for beginners reveals that we all pay something, because of the brutto and netto difference. Where our money goes? In some abstract fields, like: culture, education, medicine, agriculture... After 1990., employers in private companies (socialists mostly) reported their workers on a minimum wage, but they would give them something in cash. They all have low pension assets. Hundreds of examples how corruption works. If someone wants to import a foreign car. He maybe knows something, so he won't pay the border fees so much, like others who don't have anyone. To find a job, it's not enough that your write great CV, where you can place your extraordinary evaluations, universities, software programs knowledge, dressed in a business suite. Someone who knows someone influential, he gets the job, even though he has lower qualifications. https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/34154-corruption https://www.ganintegrity.com/portal/country-profiles/croatia/ I think that Totti Fan mocks on us, plays with us.
What is Musupic? Attempt to make an Balkan surname? Croats fought against each other also in WWII. Leftists against rightists. Have I said that your comment wasn't true? But you also forget that Ustase were multi-ethnic, multi-religious people. Among them you could find: Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Jews, Serbs, Italians, Bosnian Muslims, Montenegrin people. Ustase of Montenegro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savić_Marković_Štedimlija https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia Branko Benzon (obviously Italian), Ismet Muftic, Kulenovic, Alajbegovic, Beslagic, Mehicic (Bosnian Muslims), Solc, Steinfl, Hefer (Germans), Navratil (Czech), Toth (Hungarian word for Slav, many Hungarians have that surname). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tóth Numerous of surnames that have Latin, Slavic, Germanic origins. Totti Fan, you could mention Chetniks, collaborators in Serbia and Draza Mihailovic, Milan Nedic. Slovene Home Guard from Slovenia...read about them, you elaborated much more Ustase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Rupnik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Nedić Bosnian Muslims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian) Communist Party of Yugoslavia was created in 1919. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Communists_of_Yugoslavia Every other movement was reaction against this movement. WWII was later than 1919? Don't you think?
This discussion with Totti Fan was mostly funny for me. No scientific arguments for anything, only wishful thinking and the attitude: "My Dad is stronger than yours". Question - Answer Policy was impossible. Who knows how many questions from other users remained unanswered. I understand him, when he defends his own ideology. It's possible to be so greatly convinced in ideology and never see the negative sides, flaws, achievement in practical sense. Obviously, he is obsessed with Ustase movement. This movement was based on the wave of Germany, Italy, Japan. The problems started when Germany attacked Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/369th_Croatian_Reinforced_Infantry_Regiment_(Wehrmacht) Who would do that in rational sense? Winter, Russia, millions of residents.... Germany wanted to conquer everyone. Italy wanted the renovation of Roman Empire, depends on the extent. Croatia wanted to renovate the borders from 10th century, during king Tomislav. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Croatia_(925–1102) Or to create unity between Red and White Croatia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Croatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croatia Ambitions were obviously too big for all sides. Vokic - Lorkovic plot happened in Ustase movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorković–Vokić_plot Operation Husky made problems for Italy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Sicily Some documentaries say, that suspicious people in South allowed this invasion, because existing regime made problems for them. At least no one invents foreign enemies like Totti Fan who destroyed his communism. At the end of WWII, mostly all Ustase leaders were killed. I don't understand why is Totti Fan so scared because of some existing movement, that doesn't have any impact on contemporary elections. https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodatak:Popis_vođa_u_Nezavisnoj_Državi_Hrvatskoj Also, you can't place Croatian coat of arms in front of the eyes of devoted communism. You create the effect of bull and red flag. They think that this coat of arm exists since WWII. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Croatia Kingdom of Yugoslavia had to incorporate the red-white fields in their own coat of arm. You know, brotherhood and unity. This why it's silly to be an ideologist and if you can't exit the frames and see the problems in every movement, either communism, major Croatian idea from 10th century, renovation of old empires: Roman Empire, German ambitions...the price was too big for all sides, people lost their lives mostly for nothing. Supporters of communism died also for nothing, no one demonstrates any admiration for that movement. Millions of people died for communism, Totti Fan. For what? For ancient memories about Lenin, Stalin...and for 2% in elections, when direct promotion of Yugoslavia wins so many percents?
If Adam Schiff is trying to convince 20 GOP Senators with his boring accusations, he is dreaming. What a snooze fest! Why are the Senators only allowed to drink milk and water during impeachment trial?
She has leftist family history. Her father was a butcher and he had a shop in Yugoslavia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolinda_Grabar-Kitarović Since she lost her elections, she doesn't visit EURO in handball and water polo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_European_Men's_Handball_Championship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Men's_European_Water_Polo_Championship Her grandparents were Partisans. https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/34229-grabar-kitarovic I mentioned that everything became accented in Croatia: religion, football jersey, religious holidays. Because socialists need to fill the empty decades. She speaks what the audience wants to hear. In front of leftists, she speaks about leftist grandparents, in front of rightists, she speaks about religion. She lost elections because of severe communication problems, she promised that people will have 8000 EUR of salary. https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/40290-croatians-work-online-8000-eur Before 5 years, she said that Croatia will be among richest countries in Europe and world. Populism. https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/croatia-will-become-rich-pledges-new-president-1-3691176 https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/38787-grabar-kitarovic Only her first name remind on a Roman Catholic manifestation: Kolenda. Christmas congratulating. Basically, all leftist presidents of Croatia. If we don't include WWII period, until 1943. and Italian capitulation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_Croatia Vladimir Nazor - regime poet, leftist president....Totti Fan might enjoy in biographies of all these figures.
I don't know about Croatia's politics but isn't that what all politicians do? I mean tell people what they want to hear?
Yes, but that's not good. At least this new president, he acts as centre - left president, he doesn't make fishing in right - wing pool. He has his audience. The birthplace of his father Glavice, Dalmatia has a nickname: "Little Moscow". Once he wanted to impress right - wing people. He said that Serbia is a "fist of misery". But he lost left - wing voters. Now he behaved more neutral, but still centre - left, but more liberal. He avoided Yugoslavia mostly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Milanović His entire family was leftist, he held that position since 1990s, because he is in the party which is the direct successor of Communist Party of Croatia. At least you know, what you can expect. But other party is a mix of everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Democratic_Union "The HDZ began as a nationalist party, but also included former Partisans and members of the Communist establishment, such as Josip Manolić and Josip Boljkovac.[13] President Tuđman and other HDZ officials traveled abroad and gathered large financial contributions from Croatian expatriates. On the eve of the 1990 parliamentary elections, the ruling League of Communists of Croatia saw such tendencies within the HDZ as an opportunity to remain in power." Kolinda is from that party. Roman Catholic Church supports them as party, because this party signed the Vatican Agreement. They also have right-wing members but centre-leftists somehow go up. Yes, politicians aim for wider audience. The winner is mostly who embraces voters from centre-right to centre - left. And the centre is usually more numerous than leftists or rightists. Politics should have more sincerity. And right-wing members are tolerant to this cooperation as long as they get what they want. Right-wing politicians also like real estates, positions...that's why only 40-50 % of voters visit elections and vote. 40-50% don't want to vote at all.
What is a Muftic, Kulenovic, Alajbegovic, Beslagic, Mehicic if not just attempt for the Croatian Nationalist to try and diversify Crotian Nationalist led Ustasa? In one example the nationalist will use the word Balkan, a word that addresses geopolitical unification in the region whilst rejecting the concept of Yugoslavia when both words serve the same purpose. Does the Croatian Nationalist reject the unification of the Balkan people or not? The Croatian Nationalist will hate the communist regime that cleansed the coast they inherited from Slovene and Italian generational owners for increased Croatian migration. When Ustasa did crimes, it is everyone else, not the Croatian Nationalists as primary causation. This is a very bizarre love/hate relationship between fascism and communism.
Hi Leon let us know how it felt to live under a communist regime. The inside details of everyday life are the most interesting.