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  1. totti fan

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    What does any of that have to with Bernie Sanders platform?
     
  2. Falc

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    You are an idiot. The United States and most of North America was built from the exploration of the Dutch, English, French & Spaniards. The southern part of the hemisphere mostly by the Spaniards and Portuguese. White supremacy is a bullshit term that is used by losers. No land was stolen as it was mostly occupied by nomads. And many of them were not exactly friendly. So learn real history instead of this revised bullshit.
     
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  3. totti fan

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    I care, and you obviously care because a harmless question has made you ratchet up the insults.
     
  4. totti fan

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    Exploration? North America was vacant when the Europeans arrived was it? Nomads? You are a cretin.
     
  5. falvo

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    It has to do with a political forum. All I hear and read about are problem regarding racism , housing and impeachment. None of this ever helps me , especially in regards to the housing or rent control. It's always the same old story.


    Going back to Bernie Sanders, if you really think he is going to help the common folks or mainly me , you are sadly mistaken.
     
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  6. totti fan

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    Well at least he's coming up with some ideas to help you. What is Trump proposing?

    You've got a choice between someone who has a specific plan to help you and someone who is ignoring you. If you choose the latter you have no right to complain.
     
  7. Gilbertsson

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    Croatia doesn't need policies. They only need politicians who don't have Communist Party of Yugoslavia membership and who don't have parents, grandparents who were also the members. What's hard to understand here? So that you become found finally.

    Observe Australia. Tennis players: Lleyton Hewitt, Nick Kyrgios, Bernard Tomic, Mark Philippoussis, Woodforde, Woodbridge (The Wooddies). They are all Australians, but obviously they have different temperament, even though they are second, third generations of Australia. Is Kyrgios similar to Hewitt? Of course not.

    The same is with Communism. If you are educated in one system for 2,3,4 generations, you end like that, you can't adapt in something new, evolve, improve. Those tennis players have obvious influence of their parents, grandparents who were born and raised somewhere else.

    Australians of Anglo-Saxon origins, Balkan origins, Italian origins are not the same.

    So, how can one person whose grandparents, parents were Communist members behave as Capitalist and create capitalist models of economy, politics. In every fruit of communism there is a nice scale of non-democratic attitude and standards. If he is a president of one political party, he doesn't allow pluralism and different opinions.

    This is the list of Cabinets of Croatia. Now you can find easier all those capitalist politicians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cabinets_of_Croatia

    This part is much more interesting:
    Cabinets following the first multi-party elections and independence (1990–present)

    Read their biographies. Of course, younger politicians were not the members, but their parents, grandparents were.

    Someone who was 30-40 years old in 1990., today is 60-70 years old, retired.

    Only one was a capitalist, Cabinet number 13. This lasted: 22 January 2016 - 19 October 2016.

    Interesting, this is the only government that collapsed before the regular elections.:rolleyes:

    Are you still lost?

    We can see, how things are done in Uzbekistan:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Karimov

    Political party Communist Party (Before 1991)
    People's Democratic Party (1991–2006)
    Liberal Democratic Party (2006–2016)

    In office: 1 September 1991 – 2 September 2016 ???

    Everything normal, capitalism was introduced?:)

    You don't like liberals, so we can conclude that everything after 1991. was false.;)

    We need to explain you step by step everything. You are only hurt and in agony because communism could not offer that final frontier, where people might become blessed with prosperity and peace. So, you blame the capitalism, which was never present.

    Even if all those post-communist countries had capitalism, it would be relatively similar to the capitalism of Austria, France, Germany, England, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark...

    Post - communist countries who are more western in geographical sense live better, because they are close to Germany, Austria, Northern Italy. Estonia has good life conditions, because they are close to Finland, same group. While Latvia and Lithuania have larger Russian influence inside. Further you go from West to East, general poverty occurs. Eastern Poland which is closer to Belarus is probably less developed than Western Poland. The similar is in Croatia. Eastern region Slavonia is less developed than regions Zagorje, Prigorje, Medimurje, Istra, coastal Dalmatia. Dalmatian hinterland is less developed because its close to Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    People who are mostly of right-wing and non-Communist affiliation are mostly sportspeople. People who didn't had parents in communist establishment. Those of mixed origins, especially Croatian-Serbian-Bosnian Muslim, Montenegrin, Macedonian mixture, they were Yugoslavs.

     
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  8. totti fan

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    what would your ideal president do differently?
     
  9. falvo

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    #18309 falvo, Jan 21, 2020
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    Maybe Trump is not doing anything but I don't believe Sanders ever will either.

    He may help some poor slob with no money in the bank but not me!
     
  10. Il Ciuccio

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    Wait white supremacy is what you fcking guys pulled from that !? Not the whole people feel like they steal a home !?
     
  11. totti fan

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    Sanders is proposing a big investment in building new public housing, curbing speculation, actual rent control. All of these solutions will directly assist you.
     
  12. falvo

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    That will be the day of the second coming. I’ll believe it when I see it. Even then I won’t believe it.
     
  13. Gilbertsson

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    First of all, the presidential function in Croatia has no important role, like the Prime Minister and his ministers who are appointed through trades with other coalition problems.

    The main problems in Croatia are:
    - low salaries, which could be higher, only there is no political will to decide differently. If we say: Croatia has capitalism. Why isn't similar to the system in Austria, France, Switzerland?
    - nepotism in general. You can't clean floors in state institution, unless if you don't know someone. If you join in a political party, you still need to know someone so that this person brings you in better conditions, better jobs. EU funds are shared based on nepotism, jobs are shared based on nepotism, which is based on political party memberships. And there you still see older people who were the members of Communist Party, they accept younger members and promote their careers as long as they have ancestors in Communist Party. Education and diligence won't bring you anywhere in Croatia and in ex-Yugoslavia in general. Only connections and ties. Those problems can't be solved if they have the old socialist establishment.

    Observe how communists work in North Macedonia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Zaev

    31 May 2017 – 3 January 2020

    He was installed just so that he can change the state name and so that he brings bilingual state: Macedonian and Albanian. After that he resigned.

    Entire party has Communist Party of Yugoslavia past.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Union_of_Macedonia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Communists_of_Yugoslavia

    Succeeded by
    SPS
    SDPC
    SDPBH
    SDS
    SDUM - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Union_of_Macedonia
    DPSM
    LCMY
    URFY

    More clearer now?
    Of course, bilingual policy can't be successful, because there are no people who know both languages great, especially for law, financial, health educational system.

    He resigned, probably he will be rewarded with some other nice position.
    Plus, there are many other parties who are not direct successors, but Communist Party members just ended in newly formed parties.

    I don't understand, why don't you see something that is evident.

    There are no ideal politicians, the only ideology is: money and personal interest. In normal systems, politicians don't have any importance, they just create laws and those laws punish all those who don't respect the laws.

    But in communist systems, public procurement, is mostly connected with nepotism. The people who decide, who will get the job with the state, county, city, they just find the acceptable person, someone who they know, and that company places the lowest offer, because he knows all other offers and he becomes accepted.

    Why don't they have electronic voting? Every elections have many buses involved in election where some parties bring their voters in election places and they bring them back.

    In normal systems, companies dictate the state development, who are oriented in business, not in some political party scenes: who will win, so that I get more subventions, projects?

    Many private companies can't function without jobs with the state, county, city. They were founded with that intention, so that they gain the jobs with state, county, city. And they all share the income.

    Many companies were nationalized in Yugoslavia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koestlin

    When they were all nationalized, guess who came in power: the main board, management, key account, customer...members of Communist Party.

    As you can see, many companies in Croatia were founded before Yugoslavia.
    https://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvat...e-tvrtke-nastale-su-prije-jugoslavije-920630/

    So, how can anyone nationalize something that occurred earlier, in different systems?

    It's easy to use Google and read about those companies in English. Key people were mostly from Yugoslav establishment. After Yugoslavia, those companies ended among "acceptable" shareholders, some of them collapsed, some names were changed by new owners who never paid the real market price. They were only installed. Examples where someone became installed and after that removed. Because he was never the owner.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivica_Todorić

    Today - defunct.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrokor

    New foundation with new installation. Loans, loans and more loans. Banks basically own the Group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortenova_Group

    Hoping that you finally understand the negative consequences of Yugoslav Communist Party. Incompetent people who were only placed in companies, who never bought anything with their own money. How could they buy anything with real millions in early 1990's, if no one had private ownership in Yugoslavia?

    They were installed, they gave low salaries, long working hours. Some installed directors wanted to sell everything so that they live from that or that they can open their own business: consulting office, some other company (construction), build hotels, spa centres, because this is a popular thing in touristic countries.
    Since they were privileged, they got nice loans from the banks, where installed people also came in power.

    This is your communism.:) Only you are not aware, or you don't accept that your communism has bad intentions. Only red membership book matters, not the competence, knowledge, ambition.

    In 1990's, those companies should be sold for the correct market prices. If something worths 20 millions of USD, why not sell that company for higher price, instead for some small amounts or just gift them to someone.

    It's easy to be influential if Communist Party friend gives you the company for free and if you sell all real estates, buildings, machines, vehicles as your own items. When you get the money, you can open 2,3 hotels and enjoy in rest of your life, because tourists will always come.:cool:

    One of capitalists in Croatia worked in Canadian company.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tihomir_Orešković

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teva_Canada

    The founder: Dan family.
    In 2000. the company was sold to other company. Not gifted.
    That's capitalism. The company still grows normally, without negative effects.
     
  14. Deleted User x

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    Well keep caring.

    You won't get me banned.
     
  15. Deleted User x

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    A communist taking the moral high ground. Truly ignorant.
     
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  16. phat

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    Leon's broad spectrum ideology is in line with the communist to steal all the land and then deciding who gets to lease it back from them. For him this is an honest, acceptable and better way.

    Leon then actually believes he's got credibility to discuss anything posted here even though he openly admits to being lost after reading 3 words of a coherent response to his useless Google links formulated posts. A few meme here and there and he's got it all figured out.

    Ask him for anything concrete and he falls appart.
     
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  17. totti fan

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    A slim chance is better than no chance
     
  18. phat

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    You have zero chance of being able to defend any copy pasted claim you make because you don't understand anything.
     
  19. totti fan

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    OK two problems:
    low salaries and nepotism.

    What are your solutions? When you give up I'll help you out.
     
  20. totti fan

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    lol typing yes or no won't get you banned. it's almost as if you are inflicted with some sort of self-loathing. I'm not judging, I'm just asking questions but you seem to be really upset about something. Who told you I got Pauly banned?
     
  21. phat

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    @falvo

    Nice words on paper but it doesn't workout that way and creates a set of new problems. Not to mention contradictory to reality.
     
  22. falvo

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    #18322 falvo, Jan 21, 2020
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    If they would let Trump alone and do the things he should be doing, this country would be that much better. Look at what they are doing! Wasting time arguing about what exactly? If Joe Biden's son was a corrupt individual? Who are they kidding?

    They are blaming all of America's problems on Trump who has been there exactly 3 years! How is he supposed to get anything done?
     
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  23. phat

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    I agree. They did the same with Obama and his real problem was having Clinton around.
     
  24. falvo

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    Obama was a good speaker and the media (never understood why) was his friend but to this day, I’m still trying to figure out what he did right. I can’t think of much.
     
  25. Il Ciuccio

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    Hasn’t this been the state of American politics since what the Vietnam war ?
     

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