New Concacaf Club Championship format

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions League' started by ceezmad, Jan 23, 2017.

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Do you like the change

  1. Yes

    27.6%
  2. No

    27.6%
  3. Hells no!

    44.8%
  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Only the OFC Champions League has fewer clubs than the CONCACAF Champions League.
     
  2. amvrosio

    amvrosio New Member

    Aug 24, 2007
    México D. F.
    AÑADAN AL CAMPEON DEFENSOR Y SERIAN 32 EQUIPOS....IDEALES PARA UNA ELIMINACION DIRECTA....32--16--8--4--2--1
     
  3. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume the number of teams allocated per nation has something to do with TV appeal. Bitch all we want about why Costa Rica's 3 prominent teams should all be included but the truth of the matter is this tournament is now banking on increased interest from American/America-based fans who'll attend games in the states and tune in to games via US television outlets. Otherwise it gets further reduced to novelty status. Let's face it, there's only so many times the die-hards will watch Club America vs. Saprissa before this wears thin.

    We need 1-2 other domestic leagues to grow and I'd love to see CONCACAF spearhead development programs to do such, but in the interim they're gonna do what it takes to make the most money from this event. For now that means appealing to the volumes of disposable incomes in the US.
     
  4. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Country:
    United States
    Do we include the games the Caribbean teams have to play in their tournament, or just from the "tournament proper" phase of the two-level tournaments. Also, if you want to stretch this further, Puerto Rico F C said that they qualified for the Caribbean tournament by winning some other tournament. Do you want to count those?

    (BTW, I'm not making the same argument for Canada, since that is an intra-country tournament due to its small number of fully-pro teams.)
     
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  5. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Good point. I think any international tournament should count toward the total. Even while the CONCACAF Champions League kept the same format, the CFU Club Championship changed formats and some clubs got byes, so it's hard to say how many games CFU clubs had to play to win the CONCACAF Champions League.
     
  6. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    That logic is flawed because it is essentially what concacaf has been trying to do for the past few years and failed repeatedly. They have been trying to appeal to American fans but only a few are jumping on board and it's unlikely this new format will be the key to bringing them in. What they have gotten in return for their efforts has been an awful tournament set up and less tv coverage(Have they gotten an English television deal back yet?)

    At this point since travel cost is what kept the old group format from being possible they should lower the number of teams not increase it. They should also have a real allocation process even if that means more Saprissa at least we can move to having a real tournament ours is the worst in the world
     
  7. gremio1903

    gremio1903 Member+

    Aug 10, 2011
    Uruguaiana, RS (BRA) [last: Rockville, MD]
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Country:
    United States
    A while ago a study came out that Mexico accounted for like 70%+ of the ticket revenues for the CCL, TV revenue I am not sure, Spanish TV pays attention at least in the USA, I am not sure who owns the rights in Mexico (probably Televisa).

    In English TV, I think Fox dropped the competition, so not much money there.

    Lets keep it real, in the USA the people that pay most attention to this tournament are Spanish language speakers, mostly from Mexico but a percentage from Central America.
     
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  9. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Fox Sports holds the rights for CCL in Latin America.
     
  10. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Hence my caveat about America-based fans. Tapping into the Latino market within the lower 48, as it were.
     
  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Country:
    Switzerland
  12. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Country:
    Croatia
    This four-round tournament will only last for two and a half - three months. I thought they will go all way up to December with it as there's no "snow" problems in Centroamerican or Caribbean countries. It would be great to crown "region" champion after end of local championships.
     
  13. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    How about we brainstorm so maybe they could use our ideas again

    Here are some suggestions:

    CCL Phase 1

    CCL Play-in tournament/Torneo de Repechaje

    Scotiabank CONCACAF League, phase 2 will be the CCC again
     
  14. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Country:
    Switzerland
    So it's Scotiabank CONCACAF League - is it?

    By comparison Giants Cup seems genius. :D
     
  15. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    They used my suggestion from last week:

     
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  16. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Just looking at the new format for the first time because I wondered when my Colorado Rapids were going to start CONCACAF play. I like the spring elimination format. The group stage was too long for this region, elimination is concise and exciting. I emphasize with posters here that Costa Rica should is a good league could get another spot. I also hope the draw does not protect MLS clubs from Mexican league clubs, because that is not fair.

    My only tweak would be that two of the four of the US spots- the MLS cup winner, and SS winner, should be awarded to MLS and not to the US. Thus, if Toronto wins the SS or Cup but had not won the Canadian Championship, they should still qualify. I don't know why spots can't be awarded to leagues as opposed to just countries, in the future there might be more multi-country leagues. (Same for UEFA, by the way).
     
  17. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Aug 13, 2007
    Ex-pat in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    England
    UEFA handles it on a case-by-case basis.

    It effectively told Swansea and the other Welsh teams in the English system that it was one or the the other. They can therefore qualify via their EPL position or by winning the FA or Ethel Cup, but not the Welsh Cup. League of Wales teams OTOH, can qualify via the Welsh Cup.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/17459332

    CONCACAF has seemingly gone a different route. I'm not sure how much of the Canadian situation was their decision and how much is the CSA's, but it seems that the latter has been given license to select who gets the Canadian berth. Prior to the Canadian Championship, I believe that the Canadian club with the best MLS record qualified.

    In any case, FIFA and the confederations are principally averse to cross-border leagues. They'll tolerate occasional exceptions, especially where culture, tradition or logistics play a part.

    As the CSA is set to start the CPL soon and they're already expanding the Canadian Championship to allow teams from Canada's domestic leagues (League 1 Ontario and the Quebec Premier Ligue 1), I don't see them agreeing to share berths with MLS.

    Actually, the Canadian Championship could be intriguing once the new Premier League teams are involved.
     
  18. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Nope. There were no Canadian clubs in the CCC from 1996-2007. Prior to that, Canada clubs qualified thru their minor leagues.
     
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  19. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Aug 13, 2007
    Ex-pat in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    England
    Right you are. It seems the Voyageurs Cup was actually awarded to the best Canadian USL team from 2002 to 07, but they didn't qualify for the CCL.
     
  20. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    Then it was the CCC with 8 clubs and none were Canadian. The first Canadian Championship was created to qualify a club for the first CCL with 24 clubs.
     
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  21. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    But the Canadian Championship would still be interesting, its competed in the spring/early summer correct? While Toronto's Supporters Shield seems certain now, it wasn't then, and we all know MLS cup is a crapshoot; thus even a great team like Toronto should still care a lot about the CC and it's CONCACAF berth.

    FIFA may be averse because they want to protect the national game, which they control; but if they stuck to their stated principal of supporting the sport, then they would be neutral. Why shouldn't well supported clubs like Toronto, or Montreal, or Ajax or Celtic for that matter, seek out leagues that offer better competition and higher profile?
     
  22. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Aug 13, 2007
    Ex-pat in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    England
    Because in the case of Ajax and Celtic, it could destroy their domestic league structure.

    In terms of Montreal and TFC, it wouldn't do that as the leagues are closed and independent of one another, however it could set a precedent that enables the Ajax/Celtic scenario to happen.

    Of course, Toronto are the Canadian champs anyway, so they're already in for 2018.

    I guess another question worth raising is how would the USSF feel about Canadian clubs qualifying from MLS? After all, they would technically be taking spots from US clubs. Of course, it's entirely possible that they wouldn't care.
     

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