New Columbus Crew in NASL

Discussion in 'NASL Expansion' started by VBCity72, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the Crew actually move to Austin and leave the history in Columbus, maybe local owners can resurrect the Crew in the NASL. The NASL is not big fans of MLS and neither are the Crew fans. It could be a great get and possibly the highest attendance in the league. Plus a good rival with Indy if they don't bolt for USL.
     
  2. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Why the hell would they choose NASL over USL?
     
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  3. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't resurrect "The Crew," per se, as the marks are owned by MLS, LLC.

    And if an MLS team (apparently) was not generating even league-average revenues (this is in dispute, obviously - the league says they're at the bottom of metrics, fans say that's creative accounting, but it's not hard to imagine the market being below-average), what would make someone think they'd generate a lot of revenue with a lower-level team?

    Let's see how interested the folks who offered to buy half or all of the Crew are to found a new lower-level team and buy the stadium from Precourt.

    Better yet, let's see fans start an AFC Wimbledon situation and work up through the glorious alternative pyramid.
     
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  4. pieper1850

    pieper1850 Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    USL is in bed with MLS. NASL or NISA would allow the new club to have fan ownership or at least an independent owner not a franchisee that is at the will of the league.
     
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  5. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Spare me fan ownership.

    Fans don't want to own teams. Well, they think they do.

    Fans want to design scarves and badges, decide who plays left back and fire the coach.

    They don't want to do the hard work of actually running a club day-to-day. Or to have to deal with the inevitable losses and cash calls.

    If you're hoping for the "alternate pyramid" to bring you your Nirvana, you're going to be disappointed.
     
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  6. pieper1850

    pieper1850 Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The.Green Bay Packers are the ultimate example of how fan ownership can work in an American system.

    A very small town team that can complete with the big boys. There is no single owner and the fans would never let the league take their team away.

    If.the Crew season ticket holders had a say in the operation of the team, there would be no chance of the team moving.
     
  7. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know about a fan owned team but the NASL should be in Columbus talking to the businessmen that had offered to buy the Crew and asking if they would be interested in starting a new team. They could play in Mapfre, be black and yellow. Just call them Columbus SC and be unofficially nicknamed Crew and tweak the crest a bit.
     
  8. -DgS-

    -DgS- Member

    Jul 22, 2006
    The characterization of the packers is a bit off. They’re not owned by the fans. They sold non-voting shares but they don’t grow in value and aren’t transferable. The fact that the small market team can compete is due to the salary cap and the parity found in the NFL (and no where else). But yes, the team cannot be moved, though it doesn’t have anything to do with the fans or what they want.
     
  9. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well they have to leave first. MLS Crew sound safe in Ohio for at least another year. Still premature but its an interesting idea never the less.
     
  10. -DgS-

    -DgS- Member

    Jul 22, 2006
    I still lost a lot of respect for MLS over this. This is really disappointing. An original team, and the first to get a soccer-specific stadium, and this is their reward? If he wanted a team he should have built one up in Austin. But he just wanted to take a shortcut and buy someone else’s team and move it. All of this business metric stuff is a made up excuse. And shame on mls for going along with it. I thought they were better than this.
     
  11. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Get a clue....way to many of you to educate. That's the problem. Sigh.

    Edit....Looks like someone did.

    Question is...are you gonna bury it down deep and just keep spouting the same line over and over creating more stupidity and confusion because it makes you feel better, or you think the lies will change something, and you are working for some imaginary greater good which justifies the lies...or are you gonna be part of the solution?
     
  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Um, you know why that works, right?

    Because the NFL pools its television revenue, and has since the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961.

    The Packers are in no danger of ever losing money. The "owners" who bought stock receive no dividends.

    They are the ultimate example of how fan ownership can work in an American system that generates a ton of revenue and shares lots of it equally, thereby minimizing the impact of market size.

    If the Crew season ticket holders had a say in the operation of the team, or if any team's season ticket holders did, they'd fire three coaches a season. Because fans get hysterical if their team loses three games in a row.

    If it's such a great system, why does almost no one do it? Green Bay is actually not a perfect example. The NFL is a very special case. There are no cash calls. The "owners" of the Green Bay Packers don't have to do a thing.

    That's not "owning" a team. That's an archaic legacy phenomenon that has never been replicated (can't be, now, NFL bylaws preclude it), and hasn't been done in other sports. Won't be done here successfully.

    Fans don't have the stomach for the losses. They just want to play Football Manager.
     
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  13. catfish9

    catfish9 Member+

    Jul 14, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pasted this elsewhere but seeing some of the info #savethecrew is unearthing last few days about MLS's deep involvement in manufacturing the move to Austin. If I were an expansion candidate, I would be livid and would pull my application. If they all did it and married up with what's left of NASL this is roughly what that would look like:

    Indy (MW)
    Jacksonville (SE)
    Miami (SE)
    NY Cosmos (NE)
    Cal United (W)
    San Diego (W)
    San Antonio (SC)
    Sacremento (W)
    St. Louis (MW)
    Charlotte (SE)
    Cincinnati (MW)
    Detroit (MW)
    Nashville (SC)
    Raleigh (SE) (not likley since they just moved to USL)
    Phoenix (W)
    Tampa (SE)

    and then throw in charter member #1 - Crew (MW)

    I'll bet a Chicago (MW) team would surface quickly to jump in. Probably need another NE team. Maybe D1 could resurrect Rochester. And/Or Hartford.

    Those are some pretty major league cities right there.

    It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than dumping $150-$200 in Don Garber's hands.
     
  14. catfish9

    catfish9 Member+

    Jul 14, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is the bus tour to put this together

    https://binged.it/2jfR6Pm


     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know it doesn’t go into his hands, right? It gets split among the I/Os.

    And you’d still be 20+ years and billions of dollars of investment behind. Good luck with your League Of Spite.
     
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  16. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BUT THEY'D STILL HAVE THE COSMOS!!!!!!!
     
  17. catfish9

    catfish9 Member+

    Jul 14, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks captain obvious.

    A boy came dream can't he? I mean this is BS where dreamers go to write about their wildest fantasies.

    I do think at some point radical change will come to MLS. Not sure how radical or when. Maybe it trickles down from Federation after new blood is injected there. Maybe Pro/Rel or some hybrid version. The US soccer election has potential to have big impact on the game in the country over next 10 yrs.
     
  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, that’s Penthouse Forum.

    But sometimes there is butthurt in both places, I guess.
     
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  19. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course the NASL would want a well supported team like Columbus in...but not like this.

    The Crew belong in MLS. It would suck to say that the "NASL welcomes the Crew to the NASL...because the MLS screwed them for business considerations".

    Assuming the MLS franchise goes to Austin, I guess the USL will welcome the Crew to USL because 'MLS screwed them for business considerations'.
     
  20. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah sounds like Suicide joining a league with the Cosmos Puerto Rico, Hawaii maybe, Guam, and San Diego, maybe Regina Saskatchawan.... yeah that sounds like a winning move for a minor league columbus team.
     
  21. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Why not the sugar plum fairies while you're at it.
     
  22. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Maybe they will get promoted to MLS from the glorious NASL.
     
  23. Owen Thornhill

    Dec 22, 2012
    Club:
    Cork City
    It's not like there are hundreds of pro fan owned teams around the world, 99% are happy that way. Most clubs are very careful with finances and fans can have a say in the running of the club.
     

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