Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

Some say they are still waiting for German car manufactures to start lobbying Berlin

Britain has 10 times more to lose than Germany by leaving the EU without a deal, report says https://t.co/Ke7ECru8rJ pic.twitter.com/3k4UeAf13m

— Bloomberg UK (@BloombergUK) November 11, 2017

 

The facade in danger of breaking down

Nice comments below the video

 

As I was saying

932754850332504064 is not a valid tweet id

Meanwhile overhere in Spain, here is TV3 (with, admittedly, their own point of view) satirising the @bbcnews Spanish expert Cristina Bullshit pic.twitter.com/pag36srrjl

— Joe Haslam ☘ 🇪🇺 (@joehas) November 20, 2017

 

Now a big German spanner tossed into the Brexit saga

German group calls for UK to remain in EU
Last updated Nov 20, 2017, 4:01 AM PST

By Bill Wilson

Business reporter, BBC News


A group of influential German business figures have launched a campaign to keep the UK in the European Union.

The alliance, dubbed a New Deal for Britain, includes three ex-presidents of the Federation of German Industry.

One of the three, Heinrich Weiss, said: "With Britain, the EU is losing its most important ally in the fight for competitiveness."

They will lobby European governments to offer more concessions to the UK, in particular on immigration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565

 

Typical Germans... causing trouble

 

The Brits were always the bad cop when negotiating open markets in the EU, with them gone, the Germans will become the people all protectionists blame, the same as they get blamed about banks and lack of bailouts.

 

LOL

If you want to understand the challenges facing UK industrial strategy, spend a moment considering these maps, from recent @RD_Economist @CEP_LSE paper. UK regional productivity vs German avg pic.twitter.com/hktDmSZmZo

— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) November 27, 2017

 

OH WELL....The UK is showing the money.....

The UK has bowed to EU demands on the Brexit divorce bill in a move that could see the UK paying £50bn to Brussels, in an attempt to get France and Germany to agree to move negotiations to trade.

Non-stop behind-the-scenes negotiations have led to a broad agreement by the UK to a gross financial settlement of £89bn on leaving the bloc, although the British expect the final net bill to be half as much.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ree-brexit-divorce-bill-that-could-reach-57bn

 

So let's calculate this through: 60 billion Euro paid for by 60 mil inhabitants of the UK makes each and eyery UK inhabitant paying 1000k EUR to the EU. 450 mil inhabitants of the EU (without the UK) are getting each 133,33 EUR from your tax money? And in the end you are worse off?

DEAL

 

Brits are like Americans, you can get a lot of them to vote to screw themselves, as long as they enjoy the satisfaction of feeling that they screwed over the immigrants even worse.

 

It's over a period though, tbf and, if we'd stayed in it would have been 500Bn euros over the same period, so...

 

50Bn eh. How many pints is that?
Chalkie won't be much help.

 

Can't remember the last time I went to the pub. Must be at least 3 month back.

Have to see if the little woman's got any money in her purse

 

Thats because you need to save the 1000 EUR you have to pay either me or babaorum

 

It's quite funny that wasn't even a side note over here. I had to google quite a bit to even find a single reputable news paper writing about it.

This translates into a big nobody gives a ******** to me. A bunch of retired afd sympathizers aren't going to move much. They where business leaders in the past. They aren't now.

 

Oh well.....No hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. So much for a hard Brexit.......

MEPs say UK has conceded on Ireland border in Brexit talks https://t.co/J20wb2B9v0

— Klaus Dodds (@klausdodds) December 4, 2017

PS. Now the SNP in Scotland is asking for a similar deal.

 

Not sure where he gets 'conceded' from... there never WAS going to be a 'hard border' and that's what all sides, (including May's government), have been assuming from day one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41365301

The Prime Minister has restated there will be no physical infrastructure at the Irish border after Brexit.

Theresa May was delivering a speech in Italy in a bid to break the deadlock in Brexit negotiations, which are due to resume on Monday.

Mrs May said that both the UK and EU have "stated explicitly" that they will not accept any physical infrastructure at the border.​

Sounds a bit like a typical politicians 'Declaring victory', despite the fact nobody was arguing for the other side.

 

As opposed to the 10,000*, (over the same period), if we'd stayed in, y'mean...




* Or the 40,000 ze Germans will be paying

 

Contrary to you guys we can easily afford to do so and we get something for it. You pay for seeing me or babaorum smiling at you

 

Going to post these comments here’s from the House committee meeting. If anything, it’s a good summary of where things stand. Some interesting points re: Trump complicating this/viewing it in his transactional nature and not understanding the gravity of it, the N Ireland hard/soft border standoff, balance shifts between Eurobond/rest of EU, a possible trilateral trade agreement between the UK/US/EU, etc. Btw, I believe Tom Wright is a naturalized US citizen of Irish origin. At least his wife is (she’s a former colleague and friend of mine). Something to consider as it might bring a slightly different perspective.

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA14/20171206/106630/HHRG-115-FA14-Wstate-WrightT-20171206.pdf

 

A good read but he seems to have gone wrong in a few places, including in the first few paragraphs.

The EU has made it clear that if the UK leaves the Single Market and Customs Union, it will lose access to both.​

Almost everybody has access to the EU single market, (it's actually called the internal market but we'll ignore that), with the possible exceptions of places like north Korea. I think what he means is tariff and quota-free access.

A quick text search through the document indicates he doesn't mention the two countries that also trade heavily with the EU at ALL, Norway and Switzerland, both of which 'access' the single market and both have different models to achieve that access.

For example, both are in the Schengen area which, of course, we've never been in. However, Norway is in the European Economic Area, (EEA), but Switzerland isn't, even though it also has 'access' to the internal market in the vast bulk of areas. It also shares the EU rules around freedom of movement so can't, theoretically, differentiate between the rights of non-Swiss nationals and Swiss ones but, interestingly, it IS allowed, (in agreement with the EU), to enhance the rights of Swiss nationals. A more cynical person than myself would say enhancing the rights of one group and not another DOES differentiate between the two but... maybe that's just me being a cynic

There's a good write-up here on many aspects of the EU including Norway and Switzerland

https://fullfact.org/europe/norway-switzerland-eu-laws/

There are loads of links there which are well researched and reasonably unbiased.

If I had to guess I'd say we're heading for a typical EU fudge where everything apparently changes but, in reality, it's almost exactly the same as it is now.

The guy mentions that the EU is 'united' in all sticking together but, strictly speaking, we're just talking about the stuff they DO agree about, (essentially, getting their hands on as much of our money as they can and NI which the majority of the rest of them won't care about one way or the other). We haven't really GOT to the bit where different member states interests will diverge. When we do, we can look again at how 'united' they all are

Bear in mind, THIS is the guy who's the president atm... let's just say he's not universally popular.

 

You have been spouting the same nonsense all year....Sigh.

 

Which bit is nonsense?

Are you saying we ARE in the Schengen area? Are you saying that Switzerland IS in the EU?

Please elaborate

 

Junker with a glass in hand surely plays to your countries perception of him being a drunkard which of course serves well to look down on any argument coming from him.