Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

Well, that sent me ion a search.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47985469

 

Yeah.. Sounds like there are a few IRA members that haven't given up on using violence to re-unify Ireland.

 

When they listen to the Trvmp, it wil:" Build a wall, build a wall".

 

Hey @Naughtius Maximus

Hope the Missus is feeling better.

 

There's no disagreement at all.

Even the ERG headbangers say there shouldn't be a 'hard border'. That, despite them also saying we need to 'control our borders' which, to lesser minds among us may seem to be an inconsistency but that just shows how far above the mundane and inadequate intellects normally on display these people are operating.

Clearly they're envisaging a border that's there when they want it to be controlled but also, NOT there when it comes to being the target of an attack.

A kind of 'Schrödinger's border' if you will.

Nah, seriously, it obviously WOULD be possible to avoid checks on good at the border as that's the basis of all airfreight, for example. In reality the vast majority of goods transported around the world that cross borders major aren't checked but that's because there are specific agreements that have been built up over many years BETWEEN jurisdictions. I.e. the precise opposite of the situation here where we're asking the other party to change their usual practice for no reason other than to make our life easier when we do something they specifically DON'T want us to do in the first place.

 

Except they've always been there. They never disappeared with Good Friday Accord.

Seems rather sad that the trolls can connect this with Brexit shows a real lack of understanding.

 

Don't understand what you mean.

 

When someone points out the reality of the situation and what's liable to to happen if we leave in a no-deal scenario, a common refrain from the ERG headbangers like Owen Patterson is that it's just 'project fear'.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ttempt-resurrect-project-fear-fooling-nobody/

The problem is that when the referendum was taken there were some pretty ludicrous claims made by people as to the likely immediate effects. That was always unlikely immediately after the vote for one, very simply, reason... we hadn't actually left at that point.

The thing is it allowed some people to be able to claim that ALL the claims were 'project fear' when that was never likely to be the case.

I thought there'd be some, probably quite minor, effects at first but then it would probably settle down until we had a better understanding as to the likely deal.

IOW if we went for a close alignment it might not have much impact and that was the most likely scenario anyway, so...

So there was an impact on the exchange rate initially but that came back up again somewhat and the actual economy itself has actually been pretty buoyant, certainly in comparison to some of the eurozone economies, (not that that's saying much, tbh).

But, like I say, we haven't LEFT yet, so...

So BM is being sarcastic, saying it's just a coincidence the IRA have kicked off again which, obviously, it's not.

TBH, though, AFAIK it was kids, albeit kids with guns.

In all honesty, quite what the connection is between introducing a 10% tax on imported, say, kumquats and popping a cap in someone's arse is anybody's guess but we're not talking about reality with loonies like the IRA any more than we are loonies like the ERG... BOTH groups aren't the brightest bulbs in the set I'm afraid

If only we could get the feckers to shoot each other and leave the rest of out of it we'd all be a lot better off

 

More that the Project Fear-types would play up the idea that this is proof that Brexit is somehow undermining the aspects of the GFA that has been trumpeted by politicians in the more recent days (ie. Pelosi)

Unfortunately, those in the communities have known that the IRA is still active in other forms through out the communities. Especially considering that the kind of flags flown in the Republican side of the community are as much about the Starry Plough as it is about the Irish Tricolour.

Being in Derry last month, it was interesting to see murals and displays that were still up in the areas that are even outside of the tourist areas. Some of the more provocative one's were in front of the office for the welfare of Irish Republican prisoners (which has been vandalized in recent days).

The problems that exist in NI today have more to do with local issues than anything related to Brexit. The GFA requires both SF and the Unionist parties to agree on First Ministers before the legislature would sit. Unfortunetly, the former seems to have no real interest in making deals, as they have found seemingly more important things to do.

It really is needed.

This banner is not just profoundly stupid (England is not now and never has been or could be in Ireland) but it sends out a hostile and offensive message to anyone English or of English extraction on this island.

Respect, Equality, Integrity anyone? 🙄 https://t.co/LBR2un38d5

— Naomi Long MLA (@naomi_long) March 16, 2019

 

That's just laziness really. Those banners have been around since I was a kid (and I'm sure much earlier) attending the parade.

 

To make sure I understand, as bad as things actually are, you don't think a hard Brexit would make things worse? I've seen quotes from Northern Ireland, from a variety of persuasions, to the effect that "if there are customs checkpoints on the border between RoI and NI, people are going to shoot at them." You think that's playing up Brexit fears?

That's a really bizarre tweet. "England . . .never has been or could be in Ireland"?

 

Well they started taking pot shots at policemen standing on the street when this journalist was murdered so these people don't exactly need much of an excuse. The idea they wouldn't use border posts as targets is probably unlikely.

 

There was some fighting going on 100 years ago.

 

Actually only after the English were colonised by the Dutch they were able to beat the Irish and grab the island. That's why in Northern Ireland they 300 years later still march in Orange Order style.

 

I've always assumed that American history textbooks were the worst on earth. I might have to rethink.

 

You never heared about the Glorious Revolution, with which the English masked the invasion by us as a home grown movement?
This (Dutch) wiki is far more elaborate than the English version (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution) and the English version is grooming the false conspiracy myth.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution).

 

Did you know that "Iran" in Farsi and "the Netherlands" in Dutch mean exactly the same thing?

 

No, Netanyahu

 

Steady dude... he's monitoring what you're saying there.

 

Adonis, showing his 'flexibility' again...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...brexiters-not-vote-labour-eu-elections-brexit

The pro-remain Labour peer Andrew Adonis, who is standing for the party in the EU elections, has backed its “sensible alternative plan” to deliver a Brexit deal, in a Facebook post that baffled some of his supporters.

In the post, Lord Adonis, a candidate European parliament elections candidate in the South West England constituency, apologised for “off-the-cuff comments” he had made during an LBC radio phone interview, in which he said those who were pro-Brexit should not vote Labour because the party was going to stop Britain leaving the EU.​

 

Except that the Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland or whatever they called it started in the 17th century and among the their main opponents were Catholic Anglo-Norman lords who had been in Ireland since the 14th century.

 

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This guy?

Oh, Andrew Adonis, NOT Adrian Adonis.
Sorry