Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

Neither do the DUP or the Tingers. There's no numbers for an election unless 30+ Tories break ranks, which won't happen.

 

Because the EU almost is Germany.

 

Come on mate...That has been reported by all the other parties.
Most of us here are sympathetic if not supportive of Labour but let's be honest, that was a bush league move by Corbyn. A self inflicted wound that could have been easily avoided. You can criticize the deal leader from time to time....

 

Interesting comment. I have been to the UK 6 or 7 times the last ten years, twice I have been faced with with what I would describe open hostility by UK customs officers (once at LHT and the other at Gare du Nord). I was really taken aback by that.

 

Maybe they would if the UK stayed in

 

Going to be such a relief the Spanish beaches will miss out on the hords of low class English baboons or Amsterdam with all those low class stag and hen party goers.

 

Putin is the greatest spymaster of all time, right? Given the margins, he pulled off both operations.

 

He probably also made his MH17 complicity denier Baudet win yesterdays Dutch election.

 

He also wrote a letter to Pvtin puppet Trvmp:

Koenders calls Baudet's MH17 letter 'shocking'

A letter addressed to Donald Trump in which the investigations of the Dutch Safety Board (OVV) and the Public Prosecution Service (OM) into the MH17 disaster at the beginning of this year were dismissed as non-independent, was foreign minister Bert Koenders said. 'appalling/shocking and a form of disinformation. The letter was co-signed by the leader of Forum for Democracy, Thierry Baudet.


Koenders noemt MH17-brief van Baudet 'stuitend' | Politiek | AD.nl

https://www.ad.nl/politiek/koenders-noemt-mh17-brief-van-baudet-stuitend~a7a86c81/

6 sep. 2017 - Koenders noemt MH17-brief van Baudet 'stuitend'. Een brief gericht aan Donald Trump waarin begin dit jaar de onderzoeken van de ...

PVV en FVD sparen Rusland in zaak-MH17 | Binnenland | Telegraaf.nl

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/2129730/pvv-en-fvd-sparen-rusland-in-zaak-mh17

5 jun. 2018 - PVV en FVD sparen Rusland in zaak-MH17. Door onze ... Forum-leider Baudet zei eerder al dat hij de motie niet zou steunen. Hij valt over de .

 

Actually it was about half one but I'm often up and about at that time. Have been ever since I retired, tbh.

 

This sounds more like it...

Barry Gardiner, the shadow secretary of state for international trade, told the Today programme that Corbyn had already held a “20-minute, one-on-one” conversation with Theresa May and that the meeting the Labour leader left was actually with David Lidington, the de facto deputy prime minister.

He also said participants in the meeting that Corbyn missed later said the prime minister had refused to cede any ground on her red lines.​

You have to bear in mind that NONE of the people there are inclined to tell the truth bout what happened.

Now, personally I agree that, politically, it would have been smarter to have just sat there for the entire period but, as Baz Gardiner says...

Gardiner defended Corbyn’s walkout by questioning the legitimacy of the Independent Group. Speaking to BBC Breakfast, he said:​

Political parties have transparency about their funding arrangements. The Independent Group does not. My understanding is that they were there not for that meeting originally.

​

They were there for a meeting with David Lidington and because No 10 didn’t get its meetings sorted out they happened to be in the same room. It was chaos.

It is not about the process, it is about the substance. The people who came out of that meeting said ‘this meeting was simply for show, this meeting was simply so she could pretend that she was listening.’ She did not listen, she has not changed her red lines, she is not willing to compromise.​

Also, (and I'm not talking about you to be clear), it's strange to hear people that readily complain about the Koch brothers and others funding various things like the heritage foundation, the institute of economic affairs, now seem entirely unconcerned about this new 'tigger' group who are ALSO funded by shadowy figures in the background.

I can only assume it's because they essentially agree with their thinking but, there we are.


Edit: Oh, btw, I've just heard that that Anna Soubry was ALSO in the meeting. It seems like quite a few of this group of people were there in the meeting with Lidington.

 

Having said that May's dangerous and counterproductive call to blame the electorate, (the MP's in her case), is something I like he sound of.

I may adopt the same approach when I'm canvassing for votes. I shall knock on doors and say, 'Well, YOU'RE obviously a fecking idiot who can barely tie his own shoelaces but, will you vote for me?'.

Yeah, that sounds like it might work. What could possibly go wrong.

 

Try to avoid Canal St. They're probably all Torries anyways.

 

Good news everyone! Things are going great in Brussels! May's lackluster response to what she planned to do if her plan was rejected again has bolstered the position for hardliners France and Belgium and may result in a May 7 date.

Related.. Has anyone talked to Bercow since May announced she was just going to offer up the same motion next week? Is he going to allow a revote on a basically unchanged motion where the only real change is going to be a modified exit date and conditions that need to be met for that date to be triggered?

 

This is simply shocking. It is a clusterf**** and May does not seen to have a clue.

 

Welp, here it is folks..

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/38744/21-euco-art50-conclusions-en.pdf

EU agrees to extending Brexit until May 22, but only if Parliament accepts May's deal. if Parliament rejects May's deal, Brexit will be extended only to April 12 to give the UK the opportunity for a plan forward. During that window, the UK must decided if they'll accept a No Deal Brexit, a long delay, or revoking Article. However, the EU has reiterated that the deal is the deal and that the EU will no renegotiate (I'm assuming unless the UK comes up with some sort of guidance on what they will accept). In the meantime, the EU will prepare for a No Deal Brexit.

 

This reads to me like the following is a possibility:

- Parliament rejects (or doesn't vote on) May's deal, so Brexit is only extended to April 12;
- During that window, the UK opts for long delay.

. . .which has the same effect as giving them a longer extension from the start.

 

Gt Britain is just getting their comeuppance for causing the Boston Tea Party by taxing without representation. They're getting their lumps now as the British people don't appear to have any representation either.

 

European businesses seem to think that nobody is ready for a no-deal brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47661237

Most economists believe that the UK economy would suffer more than the wider remaining EU economy in the event of a no-deal rupture, both in the short term and the long term.

But particular EU industries heavily reliant on imports from and exports to the UK could still be very severely and disproportionately hit.

Business Europe has asked to meet with the Commission's deputy secretary general, Celine Gauer.​

I know quite a lot about business supply chains in manufacturing and it's always made me laugh when I've heard people saying that brexit, for the EU, was a simple technical matter of almost NO consequence. Something they'd hardly notice if not for the complaints from Britain.

That is NOT how manufacturing works now.

 

Found this on facebook and I don't know how I'd feel if I got told by a Greek that I'm only costing money and I'm too lazy for work(min 4.00) ... Jamas!

 

Is that German?

A little sounded Portuguese to me.

 

UK to respond on April 11