Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

Hasn't it gone beyond a joke now?

It was only ever going to end at this point, more so after the 2017 general election when she lost her majority.

If she had any sense she'd have asked the HoC for a way to move forward at that point.

Part of the problem is, from my perspective, (as someone who's always been somewhat ambivalent about the EU but voted to remain), she's STILL trying to turn this into an 'us vs. them' argument. So she's saying the EU shouldn't insult Britain when it's NOT Britain... it's HER, the stupid cow.

It all rather reminds me of this...



Just watching that now it occurs to me that doesn't play quite as well as it did when it was produced?

 

Yeah, let's not forget the Irish and Scots are welcome any time

 

Irish aren't leaving.

But, they can't let in Scotland without allowing Catalonia as well.

 

Yeah Northern (!!!)IRELAND(!!!) will remain an integral part of the union. The European one.

 

WB's a bit hazy on the details... that's why we all love him so much.

Also Scotland would have to adopt the euro if they wanted to join the EU on their own. Good luck with that

 

Why is that an issue? Seems to me that a number of countries have made the transition to the Euro with varying degrees of success.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest they probably want to be a Germany, not a Greece.

https://fullfact.org/economy/tax-and-spending-scotland/

There's also the issue that the factor we're facing in terms of trade and borders count doubly for them and their level of trade with us.

 

Have you met the Scottish?
[that is a joke, the Scots are a lovely people in a lovely country, with great beer and whisky and a place I would like to retire)

 

That doesn't answer the question.. Spending more than you take in is not unusual for countries regardless of the currency that they use...

 

You guys still owe us 60 bil EUR. Putting your taxes into new EU states United Ireland and Alba via structural funding should ease the burden.

And: As you didnt understand the EU you also dont understand the Scots who would rather be governed by Frankfurt banksters instead of hundreds of years of condescending shoving around in their country

 

Their problems would be like ours but a lot worse. Who's going to lend them the money in their new currency?

 

Not having to process trade on WTO terms should help Scottish companies. They actually would be better off than you guys. Especially when trading with the mainland or Ireland.

But then again you also believed German car companies would come to your rescue and instead BMW will just shut down their MINI factory

 

Hypothesis: If the Irish can survive Brexit then so can NI and Scotland. Disprove it.

 

You realise that Ireland already HAD the euro whereas the Scots would have to adopt it, right?

 

Yeah. Please proceed.

 

In the same way it's up to the brexiters to show how we could prosper if we left the EU, (because it's their idea in the first place), it's up to the proposer of an idea to show how THEIR idea would work if was followed through.

So... YOU proceed

 

History provides us with the example of the GDR. You might not be that quite aware of it but 18 mil people left a far bigger political union and different economic model just to adopt the much stronger DM and they were a mess socially, culturally and economically. Not for nothing there is this saying in German that when something's a complete mess that it looks "like Dresden `45". 30 years later the whole place is flourishing landscapes. Federal states (in this case Germany instead of the EU) look after their not so lucky kids.

When you have Ireland nearby who are in the EU and Euro and their business model basically consists of dairy products and not taxing Amazon then Scotland (in the EU) can pull this off as well. That the Scots couldnt do it or wouldnt be better off is just another sign that you lot dont take anyone seriously who happens to live north of Yorkshire.

 

GDR was on the same landmass as west Germany. The Scottish and Irish ports are hundreds of miles apart ACROSS the water. What the hell are you on about. You really do live in a fantasy world, don't yer

Anyway... so you're gonna bail out the scots the same as you did the GDR, are yer? FFS you won't even help out the damned Greeks and you benefit from their losses enormously. You also played a large part in their current predicament.

 

Forget about it. You're out. You can apply for membership again and then give up this silly currency for a serious one.

 

I don't think there's any chance of simply having another go at it in those bald terms. I'm thinking it will be a 2-stage thing along the lines of...

1. Do you want to remain in the EU - Yes/No
2. If you answered No to the 1st question do you want to remain in the customs union and internal market - Yes/No

That's was how it should have been done in the first place, tbh, but call-me-dave didn't want to take the risk of having people think saying 'Leave' was a goer.

But if that's what had happened then it would have been a LOT less painful.

Frankly, we should have had an EEA-style referendum in '92 when Norway left.