Pre-match: Netherlands vs France & England

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by DRB300, Mar 21, 2016.


Netherlands will ... (explain your choice in a post below)

Poll closed Mar 24, 2016.
  1. ... get 6 points out of these 2 games.

  2. ... get 4 points.

    0 vote(s)
  3. ... get 3 points.

  4. ... get 2 points.

  5. ... get 1 point.

  6. ... get 0 points out of these 2 games.

  1. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
  2. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    You need to be smoking some ganja to make sense of it!!!!
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  3. Are you sure it isnot the dozen bottles of jenever causing it:D
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  4. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nah, He's American. They smoke that stuff like its out of style.

    Crazy Yanks :rolleyes:
  5. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    #405 Brilliant Dutch, Apr 1, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2016
    30 in 60 would barely put Janssen at 50%, which is barely fifty percent, which is the bare minimum asked of world class strikers. RvN only scored 50 percent as good as he was.

    I'll be very happy if Janssen pounds in at least 55% or better. Preferably 1 in 2.

    (or maybe he can yank in even more ;))
  6. Brilliant Dutch

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    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    I swear to God its not those jenevers I drank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *quickly hides bottles of jenevers*
  7. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Exactly. So here we agree.

    This is the last point of contention as far as I can see. I do not remember Makaay as this striker that occupied like 2 defenders all the time. That this looming danger that he presented translated in substantial defensive contribution like we could say from a Robben. Robben really makes the defensive line of the opponent less bold, more conservative. Then you might say that is compared to Robben, does not mean Makaay did not do this up to a certain point as well and in his own way, posing a unique threat. However I do not have memories of how opponent coaches always said that they changed the tactics as a result of Makaay. That instructions for the 2 CB's changed or that I saw a weird conservative shape in the field. Or that I saw 2 guys with him all the time. Maybe that his personal opponent build in more space between him, or actually defended more short and tight. Different tuning. I can even imagine that maybe even in some games both CB's made arrangements with each other to counter the speed of Makaay. But overall, to really highlight a special defensive effect that he brought with him and quantify it as substantial and consistent I would disagree with. I preserve that characterization for only a handful of players actually.
  8. Laurent75

    Laurent75 Member

    Aug 2, 2014
    Willems should really start to play as a CM from now

    He isn't going anywhere with the LB role, he will always be mocked for his horrible defending like Van der Wiel is being mocked.

    I don't understand why he had been playing as a LB for so long while he started as a CM fustal player.

    If he developps his frame, then he can become a kind of Lassana Diarra, with less defending but better technical abilities.
  9. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Arsenal FC
    I think Buttner is a better option than both Van Annholt and willems. Though he is facing fitness issues at Anderlecht, in big games he is the kind of player you can expect to rely upon. He is kind of dual footed which gives him the option of cutting in or going out while PVA and will ens are one way traffic.

    Im jus hoping Van Gaal doesn't arrive on the scene here other ways the door will be permanently be shut for Buttner.
  10. richsavare

    richsavare Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    After these 2 matches I guess Zoet should be # 1 in goal although I have doubts about him.
    That said Cillessen has a losing mentality and has played so poorly.
    Ajax praying they can unload him for half of the 20 million that ManU was rumored to offer last summer.
    Blind mentality as Coach is so negative. Stated England as strong opponent. I just don't agree with that.
    Need a vibrant Manager who plays progressive football. Pressing, athletic, dynamic movement. The type of football Oranje played until recently.
    Get rid of the slow guys. Klassen, Blind, Luuk De Jong, Clasico.
    Stop all the negative unecessary back passing.
    Play whatever system is needed to win. These players should all have enough tactical acumen to cope whether its 3-5-2 4-4-2, or 4-4-3 that is my hope.
    Study film of France Danny like Van Gaal did vs Spain. Get prepared to get a result.

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