[NDR] CONCACAF Champions League

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  1. DNez2001

    DNez2001 Member

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston 'burb
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seitz blew it!
     
  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Tuesday result:

    2016-17 Semifinals


    First Leg

    Tuesday, March 14, 2017
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 2-0 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)

    Wednesday, March 15
    FC Dallas (USA) 2-1 Pachuca (MEX)

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, April 4
    Pachuca (MEX) 3-1 FC Dallas (USA)
    Pachuca advances, 4-3, on aggregate.

    Wednesday, April 5
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm Galavision

    The finals start on April 19.
     
  3. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #53 juvechelsea, Apr 5, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2017
    Now FCD has their little How We Blew It To Pachuca story too

    Guess it's better than a We Beat Them And You Didn't story, but ideally it would have been a Mugged for Two Legs And Left Beside The Frisco Tollway story
     
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  4. Dynamo_Forever

    Dynamo_Forever Member+

    Aug 9, 2007
    Clear Lake, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
  6. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lotta schaudenfrede (spelling) out there about FC Dallas losing but that was us 10 years ago and when was the last time we were even in CCL?
     
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  7. Heft

    Heft BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Same thing happened to us in Torreon. Boswell had a couple of defensive lapses, and we lost against Santos.
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The Dynamo were in the Group Stage in the fall of 2013. We got 7 points in the first three group games but lost at Arabe Unido in the last game and got bounced.
     
  9. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Wednesday result:

    2016-17 Semifinals


    First Leg

    Tuesday, March 14, 2017
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 2-0 Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN)

    Wednesday, March 15
    FC Dallas (USA) 2-1 Pachuca (MEX)

    Second Leg

    Tuesday, April 4
    Pachuca (MEX) 3-1 FC Dallas (USA)
    Pachuca advances, 4-3, on aggregate.

    Wednesday, April 5
    Vancouver Whitecaps (CAN) 1-2 Tigres UANL (MEX)
    Tigres advance, 4-1, on aggregate.

    Finals

    First Leg
    Tuesday, April 18
    Tigres UANL (MEX) v. Pachuca (MEX) 9:00 pm

    Second Leg
    Wednesday, April 26
    Pachuca (MEX) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm
     
  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The USSF has apparently figured out how to allot teams into the new CCL.

    https://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/04/06/concacaf-champions-league-ccl-qualifying-format-changes#

    This article takes a lot of words to explain it but here is the gist:

    2018 CCL - The 2016 qualifiers Seattle, Dallas, Colorado, NY Red Bulls
    2019 CCL - 2017 & 2018 MLS Cup and U.S. Open Cup winners
    2020 CCL - the current system - 2019 MLS Cup, Supporter Shield, U.S. Open Cup, and Other Conference winners

    The only doubtful thing is the step-down process for the 2019 bids in case of duplicate or Canadian winners. They would likely use regular season points but that could be combined for the two years. We shall see.

    The USSF will probably announce something official.
     
  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Tuesday result:

    2016-17 Finals


    First Leg
    Tuesday, April 18
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 1-1 Pachuca (MEX)

    Second Leg
    Wednesday, April 26
    Pachuca (MEX) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 9:00 pm
     
  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Wednesday result:

    2016-17 Finals


    First Leg
    Tuesday, April 18
    Tigres UANL (MEX) 1-1 Pachuca (MEX)

    Second Leg
    Wednesday, April 26
    Pachuca (MEX) 1-0 Tigres UANL (MEX)
    Pachuca wins the title, 2-1, on aggregate.

    That is the 5th title for Pachuca. They previously won in 2002, 2007, 2008, and 2010.

    The next CCL starts in August with the new Phase One. Teams from Canada, Mexico, and the USA among others won't start until Phase Two in February of 2018.
     
  13. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2017-18 CCL
    GREEN are teams that have clinched Phase 2.

    MEX 1: Tigres UANL
    MEX 2: Club America
    MEX 3:
    Clausura Champion
    MEX 4: Clausura runner-up
    -------------------

    USA 1: Seattle Sounders
    USA 2: FC Dallas
    USA 3: NY Red Bulls
    USA 4: Colorado Rapids

    -------------------
    CAN 1: Toronto or 2017 CCL playoff winner
    -------------------

    CRC 1: Saprissa
    CRC 2: Verano Champion
    CRC 3: Best Aggregate: currently Herediano
    -------------------
    HON 1: Motagua
    HON 2: Clausura Champion
    HON 3: Best Aggregate: currently Olimpia
    -------------------
    PAN 1: Arabe Unido
    PAN 2: Clausura Champion
    PAN 3: Best Aggregate: currently Plaza Amador
    -------------------
    GUA 1: Antigua GFC
    GUA 2: Clausura Champion
    GUA 3: Best Aggregate: currently Municipal
    -------------------
    SLV 1: Santa Tecla
    SLV 2: Clausura Champion
    SLV 3: Best Aggregate: currently Alianza
    -------------------
    NCA 1: Real Esteli
    NCA 2: Clausura Champion
    -------------------
    BLZ 1: Belmopan Bandits
    -------------------
    CFU 1: TBD
    CFU 2: TBD
    CFU 3: TBD
    CFU 4: TBD

    CFU finalists are:
    Central (TRI)
    San Juan Jabloteh (TRI)
    Cibao (DOM)
    Portmore United (JAM)
    Grenades (ATG)
    Racing des Gonaives (HAI)
     
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  14. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Some CCL news:

    http://www.concacaf.com/article/details-revealed-for-newly-launched-scotiabank-concacaf-league

    The Fall tournament will officially be known as the Scotiabank CONCACAF League. The Spring tournament will stay the Scotiabank CONCACAF Champions League.

    The Guatemalan teams are banned from the tournament because the Guatemalan Federation is currently suspended by FIFA due to government interference. Their slots will go to Costa Rica (CCL), Panama (CL), and Honduras (CL).

    The draw for the fall CL tournament will be on May 31.
     
  15. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This thread annoys the sh** out of me. That NDR makes me want to punch someone in the face.
     
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  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2017-18 CCL
    GREEN are teams that have clinched Phase 2.

    MEX 1: Tigres UANL
    MEX 2: Club America
    MEX 3:
    Clausura Champion
    MEX 4: Clausura runner-up
    -------------------

    USA 1: Seattle Sounders
    USA 2: FC Dallas
    USA 3: NY Red Bulls
    USA 4: Colorado Rapids

    -------------------
    CAN 1: Toronto or 2017 CCL playoff winner
    -------------------

    CRC 1: Saprissa
    CRC 2:
    Verano Champion
    CRC 3: Best Aggregate: currently Herediano
    CRC 4: Next Best Aggregate: currently Alajuelense
    -------------------
    HON 1: Motagua
    HON 2: Clausura Champion/Best Aggregate: Olimpia
    HON 3: Next Best Aggregate: currently Real Espana
    HON 4: 3rd Best Aggregate: currently Honduras Progreso
    -------------------
    PAN 1: Arabe Unido
    PAN 2: Clausura Champion
    PAN 3: Best Aggregate: currently Plaza Amador
    PAN 4: Next Best Aggregate:
    -------------------
    SLV 1: Santa Tecla
    SLV 2: Clausura Champion
    SLV 3: Best Aggregate: currently Alianza
    -------------------
    NCA 1: Real Esteli
    NCA 2: Walter Ferretti
    -------------------
    BLZ 1: Belmopan Bandits
    -------------------
    CFU 1: TBD
    CFU 2: TBD
    CFU 3: TBD
    CFU 4: TBD

    CFU finalists are:
    Central (TRI)
    San Juan Jabloteh (TRI)
    Cibao (DOM)
    Portmore United (JAM)
    Grenades (ATG)
    Racing des Gonaives (HAI)
     
  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2017-18 CCL
    GREEN are teams that have clinched Phase 2.

    MEX 1: Tigres UANL
    MEX 2: Club America
    MEX 3: Guadalajara
    MEX 4: Tijuana

    -------------------
    USA 1: Seattle Sounders
    USA 2: FC Dallas
    USA 3: NY Red Bulls
    USA 4: Colorado Rapids

    -------------------
    CAN 1: Toronto or 2017 CCL playoff winner
    -------------------

    CRC 1: Saprissa
    CRC 2:
    Herediano
    CRC 3: Alajuelense
    CRC 4: Santos de Guapiles
    -------------------
    HON 1: Motagua
    HON 2: Honduras Progreso
    HON 3: Platense
    HON 4: Olimpia
    -------------------
    PAN 1: Arabe Unido
    PAN 2: Tauro
    PAN 3: Plaza Amador
    PAN 4: Chorillo
    -------------------
    SLV 1: Santa Tecla
    SLV 2: Alianza
    SLV 3: Aguila
    -------------------
    NCA 1: Real Esteli
    NCA 2: Walter Ferretti
    -------------------
    BLZ 1: Belmopan Bandits
    -------------------
    CFU 1: Cibao (DOM)
    CFU 2: San Juan Jabloteh (TRI)
    CFU 3: Central (TRI)
    CFU 4: Portmore United (JAM)

    I believe everything is set except who will get the #1 spot for Panama which will be settled on May 28 and who will represent Canada.
     
  18. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i like to think of myself as a seasoned c'caf dude but who tf is honduras progreso?
     
  19. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    They are a kind of phoenix club but with a long gap. There was a first-division team in Progreso, Honduras back in the 60s but they folded in the 70s. The new team was started in 2011, won the second division in 2014, and then the first division in 2016. This is their second straight appearance in the CONCACAF leagues.
     
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  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The format for the Fall Champions League has been apparently leaked. We'll see if this is how it actually works.

    Pot 1
    Alajuelense (CRC)
    Belmopan Bandits (BLZ)
    San Juan Jabloteh (TRI)
    Honduras Progreso (HON)
    Real Estelí (NCA)
    TBA (PAN) *
    Plaza Amador (PAN)
    Alianza (SLV)

    Pot 2
    Santos de Guápiles (GUA-CRC)
    Portmore United (JAM)
    Central FC (TRI)
    Platense (HON)
    Olimpia (GUA-HON)
    Walter Ferretti (NCA)
    Chorrillo FC (GUA-PAN)
    Águila (SLV)

    Pot 1 will be drawn against Pot 2 on May 31. Teams from the same federation can't be drawn against each other with the exception of the Guatemala replacements. Pot 1 teams will automatically host the 2nd legs of each pairing.

    The pairings will be given a number 1-8 as they are drawn. The quarterfinals will be Pair 1 v. 2, 3-4, 5-6, and 7-8 with the odd numbered pairings winners getting the 2nd leg at home.

    For the semifinals the teams will be ranked based on the results from the first two rounds based on points, goal difference, goals, etc. Those seeds will then be 1 v. 4 and 2 v. 3. The higher seeds will host the second legs.
     
  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The 2017 CONCACAF League draw:

    1st Round
    1. San Juan Jabloteh (TRI) vs. Santos de Guápiles (CRC)
    2. Honduras Progreso (HON) vs. Chorrillo FC (PAN)
    3. Árabe Unido (PAN) vs. Central FC (TRI)
    4. Real Estelí (NCA) vs. Águila (SLV)
    5. LD Alajuelense (CRC) vs. Olimpia (HON)
    6. Alianza (SLV) vs. Platense (HON)
    7. Plaza Amador (PAN) vs. Portmore United (JAM)
    8. Belmopan Bandits (BLZ) vs. Walter Ferretti (NCA)

    2nd Round
    The odd numbered teams will host the 2nd leg.
    1 winner v. 2 winner
    3 v. 4
    5 v. 6
    7 v. 8

    Semifinals
    2nd leg hosting will be based on prior record.
    Winner of 1v2 v. Winner of 3v4
    Winner of 5v6 v. Winner of 7v8

    Games will run August through October.
     
  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2017 CONCACAF League

    First Round
    Home team first, CT

    First Leg
    Tuesday, August 1
    (2)Chorrillo FC (PAN) v CD Honduras Progreso (HON) 7:00 pm
    (1)Santos de Guapiles FC (CRC) v San Juan Jabloteh (TRI) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, August 2
    (4)CD Aguila (SLV) v Real Esteli FC (NCA) 7:00 pm
    (7)Portmore United FC (JAM) v CD Plaza Amador (PAN) 7:00 pm
    (6)Platense FC (HON) v Alianza FC (SLV) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, August 3
    (5)CD Olimpia (HON) v LD Alajuelense (CRC) 7:00 pm
    (3)Central FC (TRI) v Deportivo Arabe Unido (PAN) 7:00 pm
    (8)CD Walter Ferretti (NCA) v Belmopan Bandits (BLZ) 9:00 pm

    Second Leg
    Tuesday, August 8
    (4)Real Esteli FC (NCA) v CD Aguila (SLV) 7:00 pm
    (1)San Juan Jabloteh (TRI) v Santos de Guapiles FC (CRC) 7:00 pm
    (6)Alianza FC (SLV) v Platense FC (HON) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, August 9, 2017
    (7)CD Plaza Amador (PAN) v Portmore United FC (JAM) 7:00 pm
    (2)CD Honduras Progreso (HON) v Chorrillo FC (PAN) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, August 10
    (3)Deportivo Arabe Unido (PAN) v Central FC (TRI) 7:00 pm
    (8)Belmopan Bandits (BLZ) v CD Walter Ferretti (NCA) 9:00 pm
    (5)LD Alajuelense (CRC) v CD Olimpia (HON) 9:00 pm

    The quarterfinals are pairings 1v2, 3v4, 5v6, and 7v8. The games will be August 15-17 and August 22-24. They aren't wasting any time.
     
  23. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    #73 newtex, Aug 14, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2017
    I completely forgot that this started and the first round is already over.

    2017 CONCACAF League

    First Round
    Home team first, CT

    First Leg
    Tuesday, August 1
    (2)Chorrillo FC (PAN) 1-0 CD Honduras Progreso (HON)
    (1)Santos de Guapiles FC (CRC) 6-2 San Juan Jabloteh (TRI)

    Wednesday, August 2
    (4)CD Aguila (SLV) 1-0 Real Esteli FC (NCA)
    (7)Portmore United FC (JAM) 1-0 CD Plaza Amador (PAN)
    (6)Platense FC (HON) 1-2 Alianza FC (SLV)

    Thursday, August 3
    (5)CD Olimpia (HON) 2-0 LD Alajuelense (CRC)
    (3)Central FC (TRI) 1-2 Deportivo Arabe Unido (PAN)
    (8)CD Walter Ferretti (NCA) 4-1 Belmopan Bandits (BLZ)

    Second Leg
    Tuesday, August 8
    (4)Real Esteli FC (NCA) 1-0 (pks 3-4) CD Aguila (SLV)
    (1)San Juan Jabloteh (TRI) 1-2 Santos de Guapiles FC (CRC)
    (6)Alianza FC (SLV) 2-1 Platense FC (HON)

    Wednesday, August 9, 2017
    (7)CD Plaza Amador (PAN) 1-0 (pks 5-4) Portmore United FC (JAM)
    (2)CD Honduras Progreso (HON) 0-1 Chorrillo FC (PAN)

    Thursday, August 10
    (3)Deportivo Arabe Unido (PAN) 3-0 Central FC (TRI)
    (8)Belmopan Bandits (BLZ) 0-1 CD Walter Ferretti (NCA)
    (5)LD Alajuelense (CRC) 0-1 CD Olimpia (HON)

    By Country on advancement:

    PAN 3-0
    SLV 2-0
    CRC 1-1
    NCA 1-1
    HON 1-2
    BLZ 0-1
    JAM 0-1
    TRI 0-2
     
  24. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2017 CONCACAF League

    Quarterfinals
    Home team first, CT

    First Leg
    Tuesday, August 15
    (1) Chorrillo FC (PAN) v. Santos de Guapiles FC (CRC) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, August 16
    (2) CD Aguila (SLV) v. Deportivo Arabe Unido (PAN) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, August 17
    (4) CD Walter Ferretti (NCA) v. CD Plaza Amador (PAN) 7:00 pm
    (3) Alianza FC (SLV) v. CD Olimpia (HON) 9:00 pm

    Second Leg
    Tuesday, August 22
    (1) Santos de Guapiles FC (CRC) v. Chorrillo FC (PAN) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, August 23
    (2) Deportivo Arabe Unido (PAN) v. CD Aguila (SLV) 9:00 pm

    Thursday, August 24
    (4) CD Plaza Amador (PAN) v. CD Walter Ferretti (NCA) 7:00 pm
    (3) CD Olimpia (HON) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 9:00 pm

    The semifinals are in September. They will be the winners of QF1 v. QF2 and QF3 v. QF4. Teams with the better records in the tournament get the 2nd leg at home
     
  25. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    Probably points out the lack of public "give a darn" in the new concept that even people who do follow such things fairly closely, could miss a whole round. They thought it wasn't visible enough and then basically turned on a fog machine next to it.

    Other thing that suddenly clicked for me is the massive lag there will be in terms of "reward." Since the reward is "earned" in a calendar season but then you play the following CONCACAF school year season, and only enter in a later spring phase, your "reward" will come no sooner than a year later than it is earned. Win Cup/SS/USOC in the fall of now, play in the spring two years later. While it would now make sense to reward our "hot hand" from 2017 with 2018 participation, what is instead happening is the teams who won in 2016 will enter in 2017 nominally but not see the field until the 2018 phase. A team earning the right this season won't actually play til 2019. Teams winning this season will have to sit around and wait for 2016 to take its turn even though our season is done before they start international play.

    I get the concept and how on paper this is supposed to help us advance deeper to compete for the win, but in reality it's a long lag and you're gonna see some MLS parity teams that nosedive before their chance to play. And then when they finally play they are in preseason form.
     

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