NCAA Tournament field (2019)

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by gauchodan, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    Thursday
    Campbell @ James Madison
    Rhode Island @ Syracuse
    Denver @ Missouri State
    Coastal Carolina @ NC State
    Loyola Chicago @ Kentucky
    California @ UC Santa Barbara
    Wright State @ Notre Dame
    Iona @ Maryland
    Lehigh @ Pittsburgh
    South Florida @ Louisville
    West Virginia @ Butler
    Yale @ Boston College
    Seattle @ Loyola Marymount
    Fairleigh Dickinson @ New Hampshire
    NJIT @ Providence
    Mercer @ Charlotte

    Sunday
    W1 @ (1) Virginia
    W2 @ (16) St. John's
    W3 @ (9) UCF
    W4 @ (8) SMU
    W5 @ (5) Indiana
    W6 @ (12) Saint Mary's
    W7 @ (13) Michigan
    W8 @ (4) Wake Forest
    W9 @ (3) Georgetown
    W10 @ (14) UC Davis
    W11 @ (11) Marshall
    W12 @ (6) Washington
    W13 @ (7) Stanford
    W14 @ (10) Virginia Tech
    W15 @ (15) Penn State
    W16 @ (2) Clemson
     
  2. OverseasView

    OverseasView Member+

    Olympique Lyonnais
    France
    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
  3. OverseasView

    OverseasView Member+

    Olympique Lyonnais
    France
    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Why Missouri State, undefeated, is not seeded? RPI 12. i.e. get a first round bye?
    Stanford RPI 13 is seeded…. Or Penn State RPI 20.
     
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  4. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    RPI impels, but does not compel.
     
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  5. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    No Top 25 teams on their schedule.
     
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  6. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    Missouri State is 3-0-1 vs. Central Arkansas (not a Tournament team) and Loyola Chicago. That is their only games vs. the top half of the country. SOS is 132.
     
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  7. OverseasView

    OverseasView Member+

    Olympique Lyonnais
    France
    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Ok, thanks guys. I get it now. No more rookie's questions.:confused:;)
     
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  8. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I'm waiting for (as in I am too lazy to do it myself) someone's detailed analysis of the likely thought processes behind the seedings and bracket assignments.
     
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  9. Newports

    Newports Member

    Jan 19, 2012
    Denver @ Missouri State
    Most w's against least (?) successful of 2019, matched up.
     
  10. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh. We prefer that short poems conform to standard haiku format. Please. Thanks.
     
  11. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    All 1st-round game times known.
    All but two 2nd-round game times known.

    Thursday
    G11, 6:00 pm EST: West Virginia @ Butler
    G14, 6:00 pm EST: Fairleigh Dickinson @ New Hampshire

    G1, 7:00 pm EST: Campbell @ James Madison
    G2, 7:00 pm EST: Rhode Island @ Syracuse
    G4, 7:00 pm EST: Coastal Carolina @ NC State
    G5, 7:00 pm EST: Loyola Chicago @ Kentucky
    G7, 7:00 pm EST: Wright State @ Notre Dame
    G8, 7:00 pm EST: Iona @ Maryland
    G9, 7:00 pm EST: Lehigh @ Pittsburgh
    G12, 7:00 pm EST: Yale @ Boston College
    G15, 7:00 pm EST: NJIT @ Providence
    G16, 7:00 pm EST: Mercer @ Charlotte

    G10, 7:30 pm EST: South Florida @ Louisville

    G3, 8:00 pm EST: Denver @ Missouri State

    G6, 10:00 pm EST: California @ UC Santa Barbara
    G13, 10:00 pm EST: Seattle @ Loyola Marymount

    Sunday
    G21, 12:00 pm EST: W5 @ (5) Indiana
    G25, 12:00 pm EST: W9 @ (3) Georgetown

    G17, 1:00 pm EST: W1 @ (1) Virginia

    G27, 2:00 pm EST: W11 @ (11) Marshall

    G22, 4:00 pm EST: W6 @ (12) Saint Mary's
    G26, 4:00 pm EST: W10 @ (14) UC Davis
    G30, 4:00 pm EST: W14 @ (10) Virginia Tech

    G18, 5:00 pm EST: W2 @ (16) St. John's
    G24, 5:00 pm EST: W8 @ (4) Wake Forest
    G31, 5:00 pm EST: W15 @ (15) Penn State

    G19, 6:00 pm EST: W3 @ (9) UCF
    G32, 6:00 pm EST: W16 @ (2) Clemson

    G20, 8:00 pm EST: W4 @ (8) SMU
    G29, 8:00 pm EST: W13 @ (7) Stanford

    G23, TBD: W7 @ (13) Michigan
    G28, TBD: W12 @ (6) Washington
     
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  12. funinsun

    funinsun Member

    Jul 25, 2017
    This is a travesty. So the new RPI rankings came out today and they are no where near how the teams were ranked nationally. How does this ACC, Pac 12 and Big10 run selection committee actually select who seeds and where? It makes no sense.

    Wikipedia definition of RPI.
    The rating percentage index, commonly known as the RPI, is a quantity used to rank sports teams based upon a team's wins and losses and its strength of schedule. It is one of the sports rating systems by which NCAA basketball, baseball, softball, hockey, soccer, lacrosse, and volleyball teams are ranked.

    Someone needs to go in and cross out "soccer".

    I am not a soccer genius but please answer these questions if you can.

    How does RPI #3 SMU potentially play #5 UCF to then go on to play top seed Virginia in the next round?
    How does Clemson lose decisively to Virginia 3-1 (with a late Clemson goal) and still get the #2 seed?
    Wake Forest get a number 4 seed when they have 4 losses and 2 ties to finish?
    Stanford who can't win their conference and loses their last game to #49 ranked Cal, jumps #13 to a 7 seed?
    How does undefeated #12 Missouri State not get seeded and then have to play RPI #5 UCF?

    if we are trying to grow the sport of soccer in the US there has to be an impartial selection process with people that actually go out and watch a few games.
     
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  13. funinsun

    funinsun Member

    Jul 25, 2017
    the problem is there was absolutely no thought process done by the seeding committee. reason why soccer will never catch on in college sports. its all about who you are as opposed to how you perform.
     
  14. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    I believe they put a lot of weight into local/regional matchups which may reduce travel but confound seeding
     
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  15. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
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  16. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006

    Gauchodan computes
    Committee has the final say
    Everyone complains

    (to the tune of Moonlight in Vermont)
     
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  17. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Winter now approaches
    Seeds are assigned earnestly
    Short bus trips prevail
     
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  18. gauchodan

    gauchodan Member+

    Oct 18, 2016
    RPI is no longer used for men's basketball. It was replaced by the NET, which has its own issues.

    Everyone, RPI is not the sole criteria for selecting and seeding teams. The following is from the 2019 Pre-Championship Manual for men's soccer.

    The following criteria shall be employed by a governing sports committee in selecting participants for NCAA championships competition:

    ● Won-lost record;
    ● Strength of schedule; and
    ● Eligibility and availability of student-athletes for NCAA championships.

    In addition to Bylaw 31.3.3, the Men’s Soccer Committee shall consider the following criteria in the selection of at-large teams for the men’s soccer championship (not necessarily in priority order):

    ● Adjusted Rating Percentage Index (RPI), which includes:
    - Won-lost-tied record (25%).
    - Opponents’ strength of schedule (50%).
    - Opponents’ opponents’ strength of schedule (25%).
    - Bonus/penalty system.
    ● Head-to-head competition.
    ● Results versus common opponents.
    ● Strength and results against nonconference opponents.
    ● Results against teams already selected (including automatic qualifiers with an RPI of 1-75).
    ● Late-season performance in last eight games (strength and results).
    ● Strength and results against conference opponents.

    Recommendations provided by regional advisory committees also shall be considered by the Men’s Soccer Committee. Coaches’ polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a criterion by the Men’s Soccer Committee for selection purposes.
     
  19. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which is why the South Florida / Louisville winner will be flying across the country to UC Davis, and the BC / Yale winner will head to Washington for their 2nd round game.
     
  20. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Matchups don't make sense.
    All hail the R P I
    What else can ya do?
     
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  21. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    If only I had been smart enough to qualify it with something like “...put a lot of weight on...”

    I doubt they can achieve geographic balance in the initial field and do what they can to maintain seeding as the rounds progress.
     
  22. jdgaucho

    jdgaucho Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You did say that. I was just being a wise guy.
     
  23. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Ah, all good. My sarcasm meter is in the shop.
     
  24. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I still will never understand how so much weight is put into conference tournament champs (i.e., National Tournament spot) BUT you still have to travel for first match to teams who got in via at-large bid.

    I get it, they may be higher ranked, better conference, higher RPI, etc. But, this goes back to if we want to grow soccer, there has to be a reward for WINNING what is setup as the way to get into the tournament.
     
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  25. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Several years back (some?) teams submitted bids to host. Those bids included size of stadium, type of field, locker facilities, lights, proximity etc.

    The program I was familiar with got the bid due to a lighted grass field dedicated to soccer, seating capacity, proximity to locker rooms , ability to staff etc.

    I believe the bid went in as soon as they qualified which allowed the NCAA to build the bracket.

    I attended twenty-ish games this year and I’d say a few of those teams would not qualify as a host based on lack of seating, the absence of quality locker rooms, no concessions, dispersed parking, no press box etc.

    I presume some schools might not want to host based on conflicts with other sports like b-ball, short-notice need for security, ticket takers, trainers etc.
     
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