NCAA - Albany/Western Michigan

Discussion in 'Referee' started by espola, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
  2. Chaik

    Chaik Member

    Oct 18, 2001
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Ha, yeah that was my post. I didn't watch the game so I would call my questions over there "fact gathering." A buddy of mine pointed me to the tweet, which was by the Albany player who's goal was disallowed.
     
  3. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good goal. No idea what you could call there. I didn't even see the striker contact the GK, but it was a pretty small video feed and as an official my eyes are pretty bad...
     
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  4. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ve got nothing. No idea what’s being called here.
     
  5. wguynes

    wguynes Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Altoona, IA
    Remember what angle the referee sees here vs the camera. I'm imagining a very hard hip thrown by the attacker that a camera, from the side doesn't show well.

    Surely not enough information for me to be sure. Definitely not enough for me to persecute the referee.
     
  6. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Looks like the attacker slowed down a bit to throw a small hip check into the defender to knock him off balance and free him up for a shot.
    Doesn't look like enough to justify the foul, but I can see it looking totally different if you're right behind the play. I can imagine that being the MUCH better angle to determine if it's really a foul or not.
     
  7. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    The trailing ref has a perfect angle to see what is happening between the two players.

    If you slow it down you see the defender stumble forward before the striker gets to the ball. My guess is that the ref saw a wrist grab and pull by the attacker to unbalance the defender. Such a thing is very quick and is impossible to resist, and often invisible unless you are at a perfect angle.
     
  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he called the hip check. Didn't appear to be playing the ball at that point, IMO, but it's a tough call for sure.
     
  9. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After seeing comments and re-watching it... Nope, still nothing, what some see as a "hip check" I see as the player shielding the defender from the ball. I know the CR has a different angle from what we are seeing, and not saying he didn't see anything, but at that level, I don't see this being the correct call.
     
  10. wguynes

    wguynes Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Altoona, IA
    Shielding the defender would imply that the attacker's hips were in front. My recall, without watching it again, is that this was not the case.

    Another argument can be made about a fair challenge.
    This is the true essence of this judgement call.
    Was this just a result of two players coming together when one player had a better body position? Or did one player physically move his opponent of space he previously occupied?
     
  11. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Yeah, I Watched it again on ESPN 3- it’s much clearer than that screen shot in the tweet. no arm grab or really anything else. The attacker’s movement is straight toward the ball- he doesn’t seem to veer left or “leave” the ball.
     
  12. Thug Mentality

    May 30, 2011
    There is absolutely nothing remotely close to a foul on this play, at any level. So much is being said about what the referee "saw", but really this call is about what the referee didn't see, and all you need to look at is this

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    Very unfortunate for the scoring team.
     
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  13. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    ouch. Game at this level certainly deserved better.
     
  14. jayhonk

    jayhonk Member+

    Oct 9, 2007
    I think he might have "seen" an elbow....
    Every ref has called phantom fouls, ones that didn't really happen.
    We hope we never do, but it is just part of the deal.
     

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