NASL Files Federal Antitrust Lawsuit Against US Soccer

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  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    I liked Pelada and Finding the Game, so I got this one as well. She's got a gift for finding compelling stories. I liked your book, Long Range Goals, as well ... I'll have to find your book on the Spirit.
     
  2. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    I mean some of those are very wonky. I’m particularly amazed by the ones where newer more intimate stands were installed older round stadium ones. Reminds me of ex-Turner Field in Atlanta and the weird upgrade they’ve done there (probably what the new Arlington USL team will deal with too).
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
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    it's not surprising that Serie B attendances are so low. People shouldn't have to sit on concrete benches in 2019.
     
  4. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What’s their average at?
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just over 7,000.
     
  6. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #3906 falvo, Oct 6, 2019
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    Attendance figures in Italy's Serie A , B and C are misleading. At least when I lived there (and I doubt much has changed) , many stadiums were empty with the occasional derby or big match days.

    Teams don't live off ticket sales but they rely on SKY TV Season package subscriptions. Those revenues along with sponsorship money, go directly to the clubs. Travel costs and other expenses as opposed to the way they are in the USA are also very cheap by comparison. Not too many teams take a plane and fly to a town but instead take a bus or train.

    Also, with the exception of Juventus, no stadium has built their own new stadium. They will talk about building one forever as is the case with AS Roma but it never happens. I recall speaking to citizens who still complained about how a city spent money on rebuilding Rome's Olympic Stadium or Florence's Artemio Franchi for example and they were only used for 3-7 matches fore the 1990 WC and how the country is still in debt because they hosted the tournament. That was only 7 -10 years ago but from the people I talked to , they all still feel the same way...

    Most clubs rely on rebuilding or refurbishing existing stadiums and most fans seem ok or deal with them.

    List of Serie A stadiums
     
  7. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    The only other one I can think of that owns their stadium is US Sassuolo, and they are an interesting one. They played at a 4k seat stadium in Sassuolo up until they got into Serie B in 2009/10 (they were founded in 1920 and it was their first trip above the 3rd division) when they played about 15 miles away in Modena. They won promotion to Serie A at the end of the 12/13 season so they moved again, this time to Reggio Emila to share the ground with the local team there. However, their owner (the ceramic company MAPEI) bought the stadium in an auction so they technically own the stadium. So they play in a stadium they own, in a town that is about 17 or so miles away, and share it with a team that is based in that town.

    Also, the stadium has a moat:

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  8. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Italy
    #3908 falvo, Oct 6, 2019
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    I didn't realized they owned their own park. Its probably the reason on why they've remained in the Serie A...

    It looks nice. I mean as far as Italy's stadiums are concerned...

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    Sadly the owner of Sassuolo and Mapei boss , Giorgio Squinzi died this week. All teams are having a moment of silence for him.
     
  9. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    Does Udinese own their stadium? That stadium was upgraded/rebuilt recently.

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  10. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #3910 falvo, Oct 6, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2019
    I'm not sure if its owned by the club or not. I recall reading the city of Udine gave the club a 99 year lease for the Stadio Friuli or something like that.

    Just remembered Frosinone Calcio owns Stadio Benito Stirpe and they climbed up to the Serie A in the last 6 years from he 3rd division. I think they are back down again in the second division.

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  11. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

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  12. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    Sounds like someone is petty that he couldn’t hack it in MLS anymore and is stuck playing in the minors. Won’t matter he’ll most likely be looking for a job when the Rocco kicks him to the curb this offseason when he closes up shop.
     
  13. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  14. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Cosmos are a helluva drug.
     
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  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
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    United States
    The Cosmos care about Sztella? He's fortunate to have played for Gio, who builds a good culture at a club. Gio taught Mendez well who carried that onward when he took over. I find it difficult to believe that the Two prior ownership groups of the neo Cosmos cared much at all about their employees. Rocco may be a different story, he seems like a guy who genuinely cares about his employees, even if he sounds a little crazy in his interviews.
     
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  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Italy
    Bringing it back to Italy, Sztella actually played some good games for Brescia in Serie B. I heard he had some trouble on a personal level coming back to the USA....Not sure exactly what happened though....
     
  17. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    I don't get the scandalous nature of his "story." He should probably add some coherent details before this blockbuster reaches the press.
     
  18. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
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    Nothing is for sure "scandalous", just making weird, unfounded accusations when the lawsuit is currently taking place. Then again, Cosmos folks share the same group-think conspiracy theories that US Soccer and MLS "killed" NASL and the Cosmos.
     
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Italy
    Does Rocco really care in the end or is he just leveraging the Cosmos name and logo as Pepe Pinton did?
     
  20. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
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    New York City FC
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    United States
    Good question. Honestly I think he was just naive to the US soccer landscape as it is currently. He brought a name that was damaged goods and kept it going with a similar bravado that the past owners had. I think he's already laying the "groundwork" for folding the club. The fact he's started harping on how much money's he has lost and how no one is going to accept the Cosmos into their league (which is a ********ing lie if you ask me). He'll just fold the team and blame the USSF and say maybe they'll come back if they win the NASL lawsuit (which I doubt they will).
     
  21. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
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    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He apparently had/had some drinking issues that made teams avoid him. I believe a year ago he was arrested for bar fighting in a jersey shore bar. I always thought he was a decent player but his demons got the best of him, player wise. I think he'd make a good coach though if he can stay out of trouble.
     
  22. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
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  23. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
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    lol.
     
  24. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
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    It is painful to see what Danny Szetela has made of Danny Szetela.
     
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  25. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As someone who was in Columbus at the same time as Danny, I can vouch for the fact that, as much as he resented having to play there (Don pulled the Crew out of a bowl on live TV. Still one of my TopTen most ridiculous MLS moments), it was his best chance to actually fulfill his promise because fate landed him in the lap of Sigi Schmid.

    No soccer coach in history did a better job with young American players, both for all those years at UCLA and then of course in MLS. The list is almost endless. If anyone could have turned the kid into a valuable contributor, it was him. It was an incredible piece of luck.

    Instead, he moped and pouted and got dragged out of campus bars in the company of cute co-eds and showed up late and dogged it at practice and refused to listen to that fat old guy who was trying to turn him into a soccer player. When MLS finally got an offer which amounted to a bag of cookies and half a can of paint SIgi couldn't unload him fast enough.

    He did apparently have his moments from time to time overseas but we all know the deal over there: nobody is going to put in extra work teaching you, working with you, helping you. Nobody is going to kiss the ass of some 20 year old American kid with an attitude. It's pretty cut throat, they expect you to show up early, stay late, work your ass off and take responsibility for your own game.

    The same stuff he could have learned from Sigi if he'd been interested. He wasn't.

    So now he's back home playing for a joke team and it's all everybody else's fault.
     

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