San Diego 1904 FC expansion thread

Discussion in 'NASL Expansion' started by XaviusX, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I don't understand why you americans don't like your original and historical names and want to call soccer teams City, F.C., or stuff like that which in the Usa are just an imitation of Europe...
     
  2. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy

    first of all it seems that most fans are voting for Chicago Sting, second the name is linked to a golden age in which the Sting won two soccer bowls and a transtatlantic cup (stealing soccer bowl and transatlantic cup '81 to the Cosmos)
     
  3. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe because their target audience wasn't alive when the Chicago Sting last played a game? The target audience is 18-35 year olds......

    The target audience wasn't alive during the so called "golden age" of The NASL. They didn't grow up watching those teams play. Those brands don't resonate with Milennials. It's one of the reasons the Cosmos reboot hasn't been a runaway success.

    5 years of greatness back in the late 70's and early 80's isn't going to make the current generations swoon over brands/teams that haven't been around for nearly 40 years........
     
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  4. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #579 athletics68, Mar 14, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2017
    Very true. But it also comes down to just how goofy some of the names chosen were. I mean "Sockers" or "Sting"? These are not even good American style names. One is a really goofy play on words and the other has nothing to do with Chicago or even the team itself. At least names like Padres, Fire, White Sox had something to do with the city or team itself. And something super regional like "California Surf" is just bad no matter the history or sport. It tells you nothing about the team and rather than getting more people to identify with them, it gets less because they don't actually represent anyone (particularly in a big state like California that already has 3 MLS teams, 3 USL teams and soon 3 NASL teams, nevermind dozens of PDL and NPSL teams)

    It's not that we don't value our naming convention. It's just that the old NASL names were too long ago and in most cases too stupid to continue to use. And in the absence of any kind of consensus on what makes a good alternate name people fall back on the most basic thing they can, City/Region FC/SC.
     
  5. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The North County team should be named the Oceanside Teufel Hunden then :p
     
  6. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    North County Hops or something like that would work.
     
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  7. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I appreciate history as much as the next guy and I would like to see the old team names live again even if it is in NPSL. A Chicago Sting, Minnesota Kicks, St Louis Stars, Memphis Rogues, Fall River Marksmen etc at that level would be cool to see.

    I don't think the Chicago NASL team would be well served by using the Sting name, but it would be awesome to see the Sting Trust guys start the Sting back up in NPSL.

    For the NASL team, I think an identity around the City is necessary.
     
  8. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But beer is for all of San Diego :D But that could work...or maybe North County 76'ers (for the state HWY).
     
  9. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you're going beer highway, North County 78ers would be better. The breweries are all on Hwy 78. And it links the two ends of North County that Wilt is looking at Oceanside/Carlsbad and Escondido.
     
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  10. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can tell I am not from north county :p
     
  11. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey 76ers would work too. Or Aces if you want to go the casino route (which a bunch of them are right off 76 in Pala and Valley Center.)
     
  12. catfish9

    catfish9 Member+

    Jul 14, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to mention the card place off the 5 in Oceanside :)
     
  14. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Prime examples of the danger of present day pop culture to name anything. Never even heard of that movie until you posted that photo. And I doubt I'm alone among those under 40. And mind you I say that as a fan of both Redford and Newman's works I have seen.
     
  15. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup..I'm 36 and didn't know that was a movie and I usually know older films.
     
  16. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    I'm no moviephile "if that's a word" but I at least recognize movies that won Oscars for best picture from a good period before I was born.
     
  17. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Couldn't tell you who won best picture this year never mind 45 years ago. I stopped paying attention to the Oscars almost as soon as I found out they existed because I never agree with their choices as to what is the "best" picture in any given year.
     
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  18. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    But you said you were a fan of Redford & Newman and this was one of their best known movies.
     
  19. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I said I was a fan of their works I've seen such as Butch Cassidy, All The President's Men, The Natural, Out of Africa, Road to Perdition. Big difference. You may consider The Sting one of their best movies, but I'd never heard of it until this thread, nor am I necessarily a "fan" of them as artists to the point I'd hunt down their other works. Frankly I am a "fan" of Newman more for his work with auto racing.
     
  20. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    history can't be deleted and with good marketing millenials will love those brands, Cosmos did not work because Sela Sport did not really put much efforts into it
     
  21. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I don't agree and never will, but please if you don't want to use the old names (which to me is like cursing in a church) at least please no ********in names like Chicago City or San Diego F,C.

    San Diego Conquistadores could be ok but it's in spanish so it would be too much ethnic
     
  22. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #597 athletics68, Mar 14, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2017
    How would San Diego Conquistadors be "too ethnic"? You realize San Diego's only D1 pro team is named the San Diego Padres right? Or that the city has had a San Diego Conquistadors basketball team previously? Neither was "too ethnic" either. Hell come to think of it you realize the name "San Diego" is Spanish too right?

    No offense, but I get the feeling you don't really have any clue about California at the very least.

    As for history not being able to be deleted, sure it can. History is written by whomever is writing it. The Galaxy have done just fine not being named Los Angeles Aztecs. FC Dallas has done fine not being named "Tornados". Philly has done great not being named "Atoms". I could go on but you get the point. The old names are not the only way to go. In many cases they've come up with much better names like Union or Fire in Chicago.
     
  23. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't San Diego German for a Whales V*****?
     
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  24. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ******** Ron Burgundy.
     
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  25. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Union is terrible name, about old names not always are a good idea, Atoms would have been much better but it was abandoned when pro soccer came back to Philly because of Three Miles nuclear incident. Fury would have been much better but they weren't such a great team and lasted a few years so it wouldn't have been suitable, and I can go on....
     

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