Napoli Transfer Rumors, Speculation, and Official Transfer Thread PART 8 [R]

Discussion in 'Napoli' started by Il Ciuccio, May 18, 2016.

  1. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He is exposed against good wingers every time.
     
  2. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
  3. TheAnswer1313

    TheAnswer1313 Member+

    Dec 12, 2007
    Charleston, WV
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  4. Retrosword

    Retrosword Member+

    May 16, 2013
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Around that time I do remember hearing stories about Guintoli getting into physical altercations with a few players, there might be some truth to it. His playing stats when he was here weren't bad at all, but I was always perplexed as to why he never got a look in when benitez left so the medical stories are also worrying to hear
     
  5. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
    To refuse him the right to see another specialist, is that even possible in our time? I mean, that is really not cool at all... Even worse than punching, which is bad enough all alone by itself.
     
  6. TheAnswer1313

    TheAnswer1313 Member+

    Dec 12, 2007
    Charleston, WV
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Sadly I've seen this with some other sports teams I follow. The team prefers the player use their doctor and their doctor only.

    It's messed up.
     
  7. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
    DL is expecting PSG to give us Cavani for free or at least for a symbolic value. He is even offering him 6-7 millions per year, which is not bad considering from whom the offer is coming, but I guess it's all predetermined by the expectation of getting him for free, which is money saved, money that can actually be used to pay his wages. I personally don't like the idea of taking him back and letting him earn more than most of our faithful players. Moreover, he hasn't shown much lately, and his support in attack has always or at least mostly been praiseworthy.

    The more I observe DL the more I am becoming convinced that he's just trying to play a game and do the best for the club, though the opinions about what that is may differ greatly. However, I like his ideas about financial fair-play. From my point of view, spending more money on players is not passionate or showing love for the club, it's just another trait of our rotten society where some will try anything to achieve success, no matter if it's moral or immoral, right or wrong.

    I still cling to the opinion that no bought victory is guaranteed, whereas victory achieved through hard work and reasonable management tastes 10,000 times better than victory achieved through a myriad of dirty schemes and shortcuts which often fail to work anyway. Just look at both the Milan clubs, they have been spending so much money yet we have been 10,000 times more impressive some years now. Juventus is just another level, unfortunately...

    But overall, I think Carlo probably is the best shot we have at achieving our dreams.
     
  8. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The bigger problem with ADL is he refuses spending at criticsl times. Forget Cavani but we all knew Hysaj and Milik were not good enough.

    And even bigger problem than that is investment in youth and stadium.
     
  9. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
    Well, the identification of what is critical and what isn't is quite subjective. Consider the opinions expressed before the beginning of the season, many people said we would struggle to finish 4th because all the other teams had invested more. Yet their 'critical warnings' haven't amounted to much so far.

    I would even dare suggest that with another coach, even with more spending we would have struggled to get results against teams like Liverpool or PSG, though nothing is decided yet.

    I know not much about our investment in youth and stadium, so that's not sth I want to discuss, but the stadium is a rather complicated matter, I think. Other teams in Italy have gone through the same struggle...
     
  10. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    PSG yes but Liverpool are garbage and overrated. I said that at the start of the season. They have nothing but a compact team.

    We are not even trying to build a stadium or proper youth system.
     
  11. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
    I don't think we have so much insight into how hard we have been trying to build the stadium...

    Anyway, supposedly, we have rejected above 100 million for Kalidou from MU, which is sth I would believe based on Mou's declarations about Juve's defense. MU's defenders really did look like kids in comparison.

    However, supposedly it has also been rejected instantaneously. I have complete faith in DL in this respect, and that's also why I refuse to accept that his managing of the club is mostly money-driven. Even the players that he had sold to PSG would not have been sold if it had not been for their apparent desire to leave. Wouldn't an owner who just wants to make money just grab it and run away? Or put Maksimovic in, who has been doing great lately?

    PS: If I see that Koulibaly has that BBC award again, I will probably not be able to keep the air in my lungs. How could they give it such a name? Have they ever watched porn? Or was it purposeful? I want a BWC award!
     
  12. Insigne4BalonD'or

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Apr 6, 2017
    In Hiding with Sal's mom
    Why are we not linked with Ziyech or Lozano, Dutch teams need to sell to operate and those players are great. If we got one of them in the winter I'd be ecstatic.

    Right back, Centre mid and a striker.
    1. Replace Hysaj with Pol Lirola.
    2. Replace Diawara with Tonali or Barella (Preferably Barella).
    3. I don't want another Pole sorry Piatek, I'd rather we break the bank for Immobile, if we were linked with him I feel he'd force a move through as he's in love with us.
     
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  13. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Absolutely spot on.

    We need a right back, good center midfield and striker.

    I think qe will just replace Hysaj. Believe with Pavard or Darmian.
     
  14. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I am against Tonali. We need champions. I don't want another Zielinski or Fabian.
     
  15. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We need to become champions before we get champions...
     
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  16. RichardBarker

    RichardBarker Member

    NAPOLI
    Indonesia
    Apr 29, 2018
    But champions won't come to us unless we are already champions, which becomes a chicken and egg scenario. Not to mention the current owner won't pay for it. Which is why for me Maradona is truely a great because he comes to Napoli and make Napoli a champion. I don't see modern day greats like Messi or Ronaldo ever attempt something like this.

    What we lack is a true world class players that can make the difference when it matters most. For all their abilities, Insigne, Mertens and Hamsik aren't this calibre. They choke or become a no-show when it matters most.
     
  17. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    How do you become champions when we don’t have players that sustain under pressure.

    Whether Mazzarri, Benitez, Sarri or Ancelotti, whatever the squad. We have always crumbled when it mattered.
     
  18. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Apparently Zilinski's agent was sitting next to Liverpool officials yesterday and Ziellinski after the game said he will not renew his contract.
     
  19. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    This is how I see it.

    DEFENSE
    Sell: Hysaj (he is garbage)
    Sell: Albiol (getting old)
    Buy: Pavard or Darmian
    Buy: World class central defender

    MIDFIELD
    Sell: Zielinski (wants to go. So sell him for 60M)
    Sell: Diawara (does not cut it. 30M is doable)
    Sell: Rog (just not good enough. 20M doable)
    Buy: Tonali
    Buy: World class midfielder
    Buy: Allan sub

    ATTACK
    Sell: Mertens (only because of his age so we make some money)
    Buy: Immobile (I don't want Cavani for the same reason I want to sell Mertens)


    -------Insigne / Younes - NEW / Milik-------
    Fabian / Verdi ---NEW/Hamsik/TONALI---Allan/NEW----Callejon/Ounas
    Ghoulam/Rui-----Koulibaly/Luperto---NEW/Maksimovic--NEW/Malcuit
    --------------------------Meret/Karnezis---------------------------------
     
  20. RichardBarker

    RichardBarker Member

    NAPOLI
    Indonesia
    Apr 29, 2018
    I have been thinking deeply about this. I think the only way is to nurture the wining mentality / culture and this takes time. There is simply no short cut way. It also means going thru such matches and loosing if necessary and build a stronger mentality over time.

    Occasionally, we have cases like Monaco or Leicester city where they can win their own league but they are often the exception not the rule. Clubs like Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern etc have a history of winning and that helps a lot. If we look at more recent clubs that have grown in stature, Manchester City took almost a decade to reach what they are today, and before that, they were nobody, and it didn't happened overnight, even with the huge infusion of money after the shiek bought the club. Even earlier Sir Alex Ferguson, arguably one of the greatest EPL coach and spend his lifetime building a winning team.

    By the way, pardon my behaviour yesterday. Heat of the moment after the loss.
     
  21. Bedelcigil

    Bedelcigil Member+

    Aug 21, 2014
    Cyprus
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    we should let hamsik go.He is just not good enough.Let him go to China for 30m.Yesterday's game was just painful.

    I think Malcuit should be a starter.He is capable to do.
    I don't agree with you about Albiol @CarecaNapoli . He is ok.
    We just need a strıker and new jorgy that's all
     
  22. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    No one will pay more than 15 million for Hamsik. Hamsik is better than Zielinski, Rog and Diawara. In easier games Hamsik is very good. I would keep him but don’t mind selling him. But priority is cashing in on players like Rog and Diawara.

    Malcuit is ok. But why not sell Hysaj and get Darmian or Pavard for less money?

    Albiol is ok but getting older. We need a center back.

    Agree we also need a top striker.
     
  23. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It’s fine. We were all annoyed and venting. Prefer that to people with no emotions that do not care.

    Manchester City bought champions. I don’t think Ancelotti alone can do that. PSG is not mentally as strong as Juve and Monaco does not have our mental problems.

    Really feel we need a top striker, top central midfielder, top central defender and right back.
     
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  24. Bedelcigil

    Bedelcigil Member+

    Aug 21, 2014
    Cyprus
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't think Pavard will choose Napoli.He'll play for Bayern, City etc. next season. I'd sell Hysaj for cash too.
     
  25. Insigne4BalonD'or

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Apr 6, 2017
    In Hiding with Sal's mom
    I'd be fine with a cut price deal for Darmian (10-20mil) and selling Hysaj for a ridiculous price to Chelsea. Use that money to bring in Barella who will end Hamsik's starting spot. At that point we should either loan out or sell Diawara/Rog because keeping all of these players on the bench won't do us any favours.
     

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