Munsterman shall never surrender! yet another Twente thread [R]

The fact that Ruiz is so efficient is a highly desireable trait. It is however not the be-all and end-all of it. I'm not saying Ruiz scores his goals just because he happens to be at the right place. That seems to be your idea of how a football player score their goals. I'm only saying that Suarez creates a lot more chances than Ruiz. Or are you suggesting that Suarez simply gets 4 times as many shots only because Ajax is better?

Also, I'd like to correct you on that. Football managers will not look at their goal/chance ratio. They look at the amount of goals and assists, age, club, achievement for that clubs, prizes, etc. May I offer another example of a striker btw, that misses a boatload of chances but still succeeds at the top simply because he creates that many chances? Eto'o.

But just imagin how awesome Suarez would be if he could improve on his efficiency. He'd score a 100 goals a season!

 

I'm sorry for bringing a North American perspective but I knew there was a similar quote from your side of the ocean and JC has posted it for me. From Cruyff no less! Try not to be so belittling!

You just need to recognize that comparing Suarez's ratio to Ruiz's ratio is not comparing apples to apples. There is a correlation between the number of shots you take and the number of shots you will miss. There is probably some defender out there who has taken 2 shots and made 1. Does that make him a better player than Ruiz?

 

After I wrote that I looked at the numbers and noticed that Suarez has only scored 7 more goals with almost 150 more chances. So yes Ruiz is a highly effective finisher compared to Suarez, but I agree with JC about how the fact that Suarez finds himself in the position to score waaaaaay more often than Ruiz is something to consider in itself. He's also not just creating more opportunities for himself, but also for others which is reflected in his assist total. Suarez just exhibits a much higher workrate than Ruiz.

edit: just please understand I am not arguing that Ruiz sucks. He's a great player and the argument is clearly there for you to say he is better. Lets all just agree to disagree because they are both great players.

 

14 goals more while playing 5 games less.

 

Yes that is a much nicer way of looking at it...But this is the Twente thread so we aren't allowed to discuss stats that make Suarez look better.

 

rommelaar, frommelaar..

winnaar.

 

chuckles.

 

Huntelaar fits this description pretty well.

 

No, I never would say that about Ruiz, and I agree with you about KJH. Which is why I also agree with you that Ruud would be better for Oranje as a pinch hitter than KJH.

 

I think also that Ruud has a lot more skill than people give him credit for. Ruud seems to be seen as just a poacher with an incredible nose for goal but in my mind he's more than that. He's not going to fly down the wing and send in a pin point cross score a laser beam from 30yards but he's an excellent passer with great vision.

The step-over back heal he performed to allow Robben to fly in and set up RvP was brilliant.

 

That was probably my favorite moment of the entire tournament.

 

my favourite moment was when robben scored that scorcher immediately after henry's goal.

 

If we consider that Ajax has a much, much, bigger budget than twente, well I would say there's a chance Ajax is a better side overall, with better, more expensive players playing around Suarez giving him chances to shoot, while Ruiz doesn't get nearly as many chances and often times he has to start the scoring plays himself from the midfield or the wing, then repositioning himself upfront to finish it in, I would say Suarez has better people around him than Kenneth Perez, Tiote, Jansen, Stoch(although hes on a slump), etc.. so that's definitely a variable.

But that's if we want to take this argument even further, which I think we shouldn't, both Ruiz and Suarez are amazing, bottomline, I wish they would play together upfront for a big team someday.

 

how about both at ajax.

 

After the Elia incident I cringe to imagine the reaction if Ajax began pursuing him...

I know you are just joking though.

 

In our dreams. By the time it would take us to drug Munsterman and convince him to sell us Ruiz, Suarez have already been sold to a La Liga side.

 

nervous yet Johan?