Mueller indictment thread

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    My sense is that when there's no defense, the prosecution's case is either exceptionally weak or it's exceptionally strong.
     
  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Or we have no clue really. :D
     
  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Oh, in this case I think we do.

    The bank fraud issue is interesting. I don't know the statute. I can imagine a reality in which the law is written in such a way that it's not fraud if the bank president is in on it. Now, that bank president has gotta be guilty of something...I mean, he doesn't OWN the bank. It's not the 1850s anymore. But the loan applicant? I'd have to see the language.

    But he repeatedly used foreign accounts to hide income from the taxman, I don't see any way he skates on that stuff.
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Yeah but Joe & Jane Juror might take sympathy on Manafort that he squandered tens of millions of dollars.
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    The bank manager is simply a party to the fraud and it is the bank that is the victim of the fraud

    It would be no different to a bank robbery where a bank manager helps the crooks pull off an inside job
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    Agreed

    I think poorly managed celebrity cases like Pistorius create a false impression that accused will usually run an elaborate narrative defence

    The frankly laughable witnesses in those cases show why its often best to shut up!
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Tht’s the common sense answer.
     
  8. soccernutter

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    I stayed at Holiday Inn Express last night.
     
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  9. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    Which don’t mean jack shit unless you watched some L&O at that HIE.
     
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  10. yossarian

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    Yes. The defense has already attacked Gates on cross, which is the crux of their defense, ie., that Gates is the one who's the real dirtbag. The only way they could further support that narrative, in this instance, is to have Manafort testify. But there's no way they'd risk that.
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Yeah, he might not do so well on the stand

     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    This is interesting. Big Papa's wife tweeted this

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    I have some vague recollection that she has ties to Russia, but don't take that to the bank.

    They started dating when she reached out to him on linkedin. Look at their photographs and make your own conclusions.

    She gave an interview to the Daily Caller, which I believe is Tucker Carlson's joint, that she and George are considering reneging on their plea deal.

    So, um, the plot thickens.
     
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  13. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    #863 Q*bert Jones III, Aug 16, 2018
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    She misspelled her own goddamned name.

    GUILLOTINE!
     
  14. dapip

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    Does anyone knows Benedict Arnold's lawyer name?
     
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  15. song219

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    I'm still stuck in the 90's because this is the first thing that came to mind.

     
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  16. crazypete13

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    I thought this:

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  17. roby

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    You need a name! o_O

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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Sure, why not get Jackie? This administration is a gdamn farce already.

    "If you can't prove that he did collude, then you must free the dude!"
     
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  19. Dr. Wankler

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    "Your name will go down on history"?

    That's not a selling point.
     
  20. superdave

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    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime-beta/this-is-probably-the-key

    One of Josh's email pals, a former federal prosecutor, theorizes that Mueller knows some really disturbing shit about the Trump campaign but can't use the evidence he would need for a conviction because of the classification status of the evidence. So (the theory goes) he needs maximum leverage over Manafort because what Manafort can testify to makes that evidence unnecessary.
     
  21. diablodelsol

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    How the ******** did you not “anticipate the level of attention this trial would receive”?
     
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  22. onefineesq

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    It's like the guy hasn't been living in this country the last couple of years.
     
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  23. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Being so unaware of things maybe he should have been on the jury.
     
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  24. Funkfoot

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    I guess he thought nobody would notice his attempts (which may prove successful) to sabotage the government's case.
     
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  25. bigredfutbol

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    I'm beginning to fear this is what's happening.

    The jury has taken three days and still isn't ready to weigh in. I have a bad, bad feeling about this.
     

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