Mueller indictment thread

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  1. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    On a lot of these, he has merely made obvious what a lot of Republicans did since Nixon. Now they can't deny they are doing these things and hoo boy look how unpopular they are.
     
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  2. superdave

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    Are they unpopular because white people are better today, or because there aren’t as many white people? I have to say, sadly, that the former is clearly a smaller factor than the latter.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/manafort-trial-judge-lawyers-eye-rolling

    The judge is getting tired of the lawyers rolling their eyes. He’s giving off a real Ito vibe.
     
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  3. dapip

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    Crooked Hillary!!!
    Little Marco!!!
    Rapists!!!

    Let’s say he ended PC on stage.


    Precisely my point. ICE now patrols schools, hospitals and places of work. And you just have to look different or have a “suspicious” last name to get their undivided attention.


    Yeah, that’s probably not Trump’s merit per se; but he found the opening and has run circles around those professional journalists...

    Ok, that’s probably right.

    I think we are extremely close. IMHO Russia has something extremely big planned for November and Republicans are not interested in protecting our elections, as long as they can stay in power. And if that fails, and/or Mueller builds a strong case against him and the Republican leadership, it won’t surprise me at all if they declare martial law.

    Who’s going to stop them?
     
  4. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    Yes, the Republicans are so unpopular that they control all branches of the federal government and 35 states.
     
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  5. Auriaprottu

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    Can't tell if serious...

    They are unpopular in that there are groups of people who really, really dislike their views and actions atm, but they are also more popular than ever with other groups of people.

    Globally, or at least among first-world nations? Yeah, they're just unpopular, period.
     
  6. dapip

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    But that’s also a function of asymmetrical population distribution, gerrymandering and voter suppression. And probably an important motivation to not fix any problems in 2018.
     
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  7. American Brummie

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    What is the popularity of any policy the GOP has proposed? Even tax cuts, a slam dunk, don't hit 40%.
     
  8. Funkfoot

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    Kind of like South Africa in the apartheid era.
     
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  9. bigredfutbol

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    Hitler didn't create anti-Semitism in Germany, but he sure as hell exacerbated it and gave it institutional form.
     
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  10. Auriaprottu

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    Pissing off liberals and niqqers.
    I know you said "policy", but in the real world, that's not the first place you needed to be looking.
     
  11. American Brummie

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    What is the popularity of "owning the libs?"
     
  12. Auriaprottu

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    Nobody bothers to invent instruments to measure dehumanization, unfortunately.
    But it's very high.
     
  13. American Brummie

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    Actually, people do. The whole wide world of polls and surveys. www.pollingreport.com is where I would start.
     
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  14. superdave

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    I just want to make a meta-point about the Manafort trial.

    Prosecutors have pretty much established that he was broke in 2015. He worked for Trump for free.

    Those two facts lead to a host of interesting inferences.
     
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  15. American Brummie

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    Yup.
     
  16. soccernutter

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    Rather than making us look through a ******** load of polls, you want to pick our the relevant ones...Professor?
     
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  17. soccernutter

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    The second point is really not all that relevant to the first. Why would he work for free in the first place? I'm asking that in the context of his lack of recent history (last 15+ years) of being a major political player in the US.
     
  18. JohnR

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    Why would Trump have him work for free is my question? The only guys who would work for free are guys who have destroyed their reputations so that they need something on their resume and/or guys who would use the position for graft. You would think even Trump would have realized that. I know that he likes stealing nickels, but in this case that just seems outright foolish.
     
  19. superdave

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    Yes it is.
    Thank you.
     
  20. American Brummie

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    Wait. Auria makes an outlandish claim that the GOP's policies are popular and you...want...ME?...to find his evidence???

    Please let me know if I have misconstrued your argument.
     
  21. ElJefe

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    The inference that I'm getting out of it is that he wasn't really working for free.
     
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  22. superdave

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    That's one of 'em.

    Among Donald, Donald Jr., Ivanka, Jared, and Michael Cohen...what questions did they ask about this magnanimous gesture by Manafort?
     
  23. soccernutter

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    That was the point I was making. He is looking for graft, so it does not matter if he is wealthy or broke.
     
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    (At a 2016 rally) "And I got Paul Manafort on my team. Paul is an experienced political hand who has worked on many campaigns...many campaigns. And I got him for nothing! Can you believe that? Totally free. What a deal, amirite?"
     
  25. ChrisSSBB

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    Most telling was Manafort’s alleged $10million (or more) debt to a Russian oligarch who was closely connected to Putin. If he couldn’t come up with $ to pay back the debt, maybe he could provide cozy relationships to the WH as value. Working for a living wasn’t going to solve his problems so he had to think big and getting into a potential President’s inner circle. Trump was the easy target if a long shot candidate at the time.
     

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