Mueller indictment thread

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  1. ToMhIlL

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    Of course! We can't go a week in this forum without that book coming up. One of these days I'm actually going to read it!
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Cliff Notes - Nixon did some good stuff for a Republican (China, clean water) and some bad stuff (SE Asia). Ultimately his paranoid personality did him in with Watergate. And the hardhats vs hippies battles continue on to this day.
     
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  3. American Brummie

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    Ahh but that's only one layer. The far more fascinating deep dive into the politics of resentment and race is why I reread it every few years.
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

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    It's a good book but i think HST better summarised the era in one paragraph :laugh:
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    Mary Wheeler has written a good primer on what the prosecution intend to prove in the Stone case

    Given what we now know about how Trump operated in the Ukraine - it would appear that the WL fiasco followed the same template

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/11/05/what-prosecutors-need-to-prove-roger-stone-guilty/
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    So this happened.

    The Stone trial makes it pretty bloody clear that the Trump campaign directly co-ordinated with WL. Stone was the go to guy.

    This is very similar to Guiliani's freelancing and also Cohen. Trump basically uses these ratfuckers to distance himself from the directly illegal stuff.

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  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    Sigh.

    How did more people not go to jail for this?

     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    It was all true all along.

    Per Lawfare, Trump conspired with Russia to influence the election, lied about it, and got away with it.

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  9. superdave

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    Yeah, it was a very successful cover up. I’m positive that’s how history will see it.
     
  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Mueller. Mueller. Ferris Mueller?
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    More impeachy articles despite it being a "perfect" public request for dirt on Hillary
     
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  12. American Brummie

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    And that Bob Mueller is terrible at his job.
     
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    I don't wanna generalize and say Olds lose MPH on their fastballs (esp. not you, Roby!), but Mueller looked worn out and past his prime.
     
  14. dapip

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    What was the defense they used against perjury? Mueller tricked him into lying?


     
  15. charlie15

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    That should be a much bigger story......

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    Pres. Trump likely lied to special counsel Mueller about conversations he had in 2016 regarding WikiLeaks’ plans to release info stolen from Democrats by Russian hackers. That’s the big takeaway from dramatic courtroom testimony that occurred Tuesday in the trial of #RogerStone. https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1194322995550064640 …

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    JUST IN: President Donald Trump likely lied to special counsel Robert Mueller about conversations he had in 2016 regarding WikiLeaks’ plans to release information stolen from Democrats by Russian hackers. http://bit.ly/2pXA27w
     
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  16. ceezmad

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    Please tell me that the questions and answers were under oath.
     
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    ”I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with Stone.”
     
  18. superdave

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    LOL nothing matters
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yeah - I am a bit staggered that he did not make more of this in his report.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    According to lawfare he lied to investigators, so it is no different to the Flynn situation with the FBI
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    I do wonder to what extent Barr knobbled the investigation?

    Indicting Stone means Mueller was all over the conspiracy. Maybe he truly believed it was Congresses job to do the next shift like Yoss says

    But why not articulate how Stone fits in the report?

    This also lays out plainly how "journalist" Assange coordinated with RIS in a felony to help get Trump elected. Strange
     
  22. yossarian

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    Yeah, off the top of my head, I don't understand why he wouldn't have done this. I've defended (or at least offered explanations) for much of what Mueller did regarding the report, but this one is a head scratcher.
     
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  23. American Brummie

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    To me, the "incompetence" angle seems pretty reasonable. Mueller couldn't find the Ray Rice video that TMZ managed to find...
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    The speculation from some of anorak land is that the indictment of Stone effectively led to Barr closing Mueller down. In this theory, maybe Mueller made the most of what he had achieved, believing Congress could now walk the ball into the end zone.

    And in Mueller's defence, it does appear that many media types are only just realising that Gates put Trump in the gun even though that is in Mueller's report (with unhelpful redactions).

    But even still, why is there not a para that ties all this together? e.g.

    RIS gave the stolen material to WL (a dubious organisation with potential RIS connections). WL offered to release to help Trump during the "grab her by the pussy" scandal. Stone co-ordinated with WL and the President.

    At the very least, that would seem to be aiding and abetting a felony?
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    I guess i am fairly bummed with all of this.

    And maybe more with the media than Mueller.
     
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