Mr. Josmer Volmy Altidore

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by 50/50 Ball, Aug 22, 2016.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Goals against Mexico. Hex goals against Costa Rica. Road goals in the Hex. Goals in the World Cup, Confederations, and the Copa. Over the years, we've had forwards who could bag a few of those types goals, a task one would expect of an elite American forward. Altidore has one friendly goal against Mexico. Even Conor Casey managed to score road goals in the Hex!

    The pool is the pool and Altidore deserves to be in the pool, but hopefully stays on rotation.
     
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  2. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Yes, the last Hex should have been the final nail in the coffin for him (so to speak, as I still think he should be in the squad as long as he's performing well in MLS).

    But he scored in one game out of 9 he played. His one good game he scored a tap-in where CP did everything, and a penalty he didn't win, IIRC.

    You just can't have that performance when you simultaneously don't qualify for the first time in 30 years. I don't care how well you did in MLS, or whether you scored 8 goals in 5 games in pre-Hex against St Kitts. You simply cannot be a locked in starter anymore.
     
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  3. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    What part of Sargent's game is better today? I have only seen him play for the USMNT and youth teams. I like him a lot but I will be pleasantly surprised if he's already better than Jozy.
     
  4. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    From what I've seen with me own eyes - finishing ability with US/youth teams, hold up play, aerial ability based on that sick assist last weekend.

    From what I know - the fact he's starting games and performing in a league Jozy would not be able to sniff.

    If anyone wants to quibble with "better", I get it, that could be debatable (though it isn't in my mind). But he's also 19 and improving, while Jozy has peaked and has shown himself to not be the answer for the NT.
     
  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Of any of our attackers, Morris is playing the best ball. I'd like to see him get a run out at striker.
     
  6. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    Morris seems to be doing well on the wing. We are not exactly loaded out there either.
     
  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Player(WS score at the position for this season. Pulisic's is for the career)

    ----------------------------Morris(7.21)--------
    -------Pulisic(7.41)----Lletget(7.21)----Arriola(7.46)----
     
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  8. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    His former club is playing Man United as we speak.
     
  9. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, he's already got more goals than Jozy did in a top 4 league.
     
  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    All in like 20 games of which only a few are starts.
     
  11. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    I think they are actually tied but that wasn't your point.
     
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  12. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Lollll man jozy I cant believe you still troll these boards defending yourself.
     
  13. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I can't think of a better argument against using WS ratings across leagues than Arriola being rated above Pulisic.
     
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  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    No one is using WS ratings across leagues to compare players, though.
     
  15. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Then I honestly have no idea what a lineup with WS ratings next to all the players (one of whom does play in a different league) is for.
     
  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    This was the exchange

    Nowhere was it implied that any player was better than another based on WS ratings. I merely posted the WS ratings of the players in those specific positions, as I had stated in the post. Morris has good form at striker at club level. He also has good form at winger at international level. I suggested Morris should get minutes at striker with the National Team. But the poster pointed out we had little winger depth on the roster. I posted a lineup showing that other a players have displayed strong form on the wings.
     
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  17. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like Altidore as the starting forward but I wouldn't be upset if Sargent started over him.
     
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  18. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    It would be smart to give Josh ~90 at Cuba and let Jozy start on his home field.
     
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  19. dams

    dams Member

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    Dec 22, 2018
    Apparently, Jozy got hurt yesterday. Sore quad supposedly. Looks like he might be resting over the international break.
     
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  20. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Welcome to Zardes starting both games.
     
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  21. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In these matches Zardes should at least be able to knock a couple of goals in accidently with his face.
     
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  22. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
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    United States
     
  23. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Jozy is 30.... there's no upside for him now. Time to develop Sargent. BTW Sargent's better
     
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  24. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
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    After JK and BA, Jozy can smell a dumpster fire in Chicago from Canada. Smart dude
     
  25. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    Today,I doubt it. 2-3 years from now maybe.
     
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