Mr. Josmer Volmy Altidore

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by 50/50 Ball, Aug 22, 2016.

  1. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Biggest concern is injuries. He can't stay fit, hamstrings etc. Sargent has to live up to the hype.

    Not sold on Soto. Striker pool is fine for Concacaf. Against better sides not so much...
     
  2. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I concur. Though even if Soto is only the best striker on a side in the 2 Bundesliga, it's not the worst thing. He's like 19. Years to improve or get chances at Bundesliga sides.
     
  3. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    Heh. This attitude is exactly what I'm talking about. To score in just less than every other game (.40 for both) in any competition is excellent, particularly for guys that didn't always play striker. To have that rate in WC Finals is simply outstanding. It's a better rate of WC scoring than notable strikers like Henry, Higuain and Cavani, who have been iffy at the WC despite having exceptional club careers.
     
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  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    There are some guys who over-perform in WC's and some who under-perform. I don't see it as a negative if Rooney only has 1 WC goal. It's embarassing of course but it's not to say that Donovan is a far better player though he performed far better in those tournaments.
     
  5. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Well, I'm sure the English see it as a negative. Harry Kane surpassed Rooney's career WC goals total in his first tournament.

    The point is not to argue whether Donovan is better than Rooney -- simply to make the case that scoring in a World Cup finals is exceptionally difficult. Miro Klose had a mediocre club career but was unstoppable in the WC, for whatever reason. I don't think he's "better" than other players that haven't scored as much in WCs. My point is we have been very fortunate to have players that have performed well in World Cups.
     
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  6. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I concur. It's never an easy predictor. Plenty of big names have failed in past tournaments. All I was saying is we rarely have consistent goalscorers for the NT above CONCACAF minnows and even then, very few of them have scored consistently in World Cups for us.
     
  7. 50/50 Ball

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    Sep 6, 2006
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    #1607 50/50 Ball, Jul 15, 2019
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    I don't agree that his best days are behind him. Just last year he was tearing up the CCL. He doesn't seem less able this year.

    What if anything do you think he's lost from a year or two ago?
     
  8. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    Players are often in and out with injury. His coming in the first game of the WC is just more vivid. He's one the most capped players on Earth, so it's weird to talk about how injury prone he is. I get the feeling but 115 caps.
     
  9. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    when was the last TIME he tore it up for the NT? That's what I meant. He's performed well over the past year or 2 in MLS but hasn't shown much for the Nats.
     
  10. 50/50 Ball

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    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
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    He scored the winner and got pulled in his first start in the GC, he was fine to good in the semi and pulled early. He was good outside of the bad miss in the final and pulled early.

    Before that, he had not played for the USMNT since the T&T debacle. You can't tear up anything if you aren't on the field.
     
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  11. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    that's why I said last year or 2. Jozy is effective and plays well against CONCACAF rivals but he hasn't BOSSED his opponents since summer 2013.
     
  12. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey my family friend does security at the LINC and told me that Altidore had a pretty bad stomach bug against Curacao and had to keep going to the bathroom - to which my friend had to take him to the locker room lol.

    I actually noticed him going into the tunnel once in the first half, so pretty wild to connect the dots lol
     
  13. 50/50 Ball

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  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Goals like that still have me wondering what if he had gone to a Ligue 1 or Serie A instead of PL back in 2013.
     
  15. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    That PL money was probably too good for AZ and him to pass.
     
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  16. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    .79 goals per 90 minutes this season. I’d like to see him hit 20 this year.
     
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  17. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Has he ever finished a MLS season among the top scorers?
     
  18. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Washington DC
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    DC United
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    United States
    He has been top ten twice in MLS. The best he has ever finished in his career among top scorers was 4th in the Eredivisie. (he was 7th another year in the Eredivisie as well.)
     
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  19. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Thanks.

    Usually, I'd think top scorers to be the 1st-5th top in the goals.
     
  20. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    top ten lists are quite common, but i guess if it’s Jozy we are talking about we have to find some way to shiit on him
     
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  21. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Fair point. I guess he's def due a top 3 at one point in his career in MLS.

    I'm too lazy to check, but how are his assists stats for TFC and the NT?
     
  22. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    Zardes scored what, 20 goals, in 2018? What's that worth to the USMNT if not for odd balls wonking off his ears or hips?

    MLS stats are fool's gold for international soccer translation.
     
  23. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    I don't think I have ever seen anyone say different.
     
  24. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    Should we be calling in the guys who can’t score in MLS? Bold strategy that just might fix our international woes.
     
  25. 50/50 Ball

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