Mr. Josmer Volmy Altidore

If you think your argument is solid, why do you keep counting tournaments that Jozy Altidore did not play in as evidence? For example, is it relevant that Wood actually went to the Copa and scored against the same number of top squads as Altidore?

 

I could have worded that better in that particular post; those were the matches in which the NT played rather the specific matches Altidore played. However, I had already listed the specific matches in which Altidore played.

Wood has scored against top teams in WCQing, the Copa, and the Concacaf Cup.

Altidore has played in the Confederations Cup, the Gold Cup, WCQing, Concacaf Cup, and the World Cup.

 

Jozy played better than 1 PL goal a season, but he had terrible luck at Sunderland and a crappy mid-field. Should have gone to that German or Italian club that was interested, though 13 million pounds is hard to turn down for a club like AZ.

 

I agree that the instant money is hard to say no to but I'd sure like some of our player to take the long view where less money now should equal more money later. Going to the wrong place wrecks your next contract (unless you have Toronto to rescue you).

 

I firmly agree. Which is probably why the likes of Shea and Agudelo didn't last long in Europe. Maybe in a Bundesliga or La Liga, they'd have succeeded. But it's either that clubs in those leagues don't desire the qualities in American players or they don't bid as high as their PL rivals.

 

Shea had plenty of chances. He didn't have the head for it.

Players have to weather dry patches and crap situations. The good ones do, the bad ones become coaches in their late 20s.

 

Shea was never a cerebral player but he never played the same after that weird foot injury he had right before going to England.

 

that doesn't mean he may not have found some level of success had he gone to a different league that catered to his capabilities.

 

I agree with that part. Dumb move on his part. Like Aguedelo's. Our national team caliber guys haven't chosen well in the past but seem to be wiser now.

 

Interesting definition of "top team" for the sake of this argument. I mean, there's a lot of daylight b/w the Costa Rica we routed on home soil in the Copa America and the European champion and eventual World Champion Spain that Jozy scored against in South Africa. Or do you basically think they're interchangeable enough that conclusions can be made from this tiny sample-size of teams?

 

You left out some info off...

Altidore's competitive starts(WCQing[Top 4 Hex], GC CC, WC):

2010 Cycle(Top 4 Hex = Mexico, US, Hon, CR)
Mexico (JA did not start this one): Bradley, Bradley's 2nd Goal (Jozy involved in the build up... passed to LD, LD assist)
Costa Rica: Donovan
Honduras: Donovan, Bocanegra
Italy: Donovan (Jozy drew the penalty for LDs goal)
Brasil:
Egypt: Davies (Jozy crossed it into the box on Davies scrappy goal), Bradley, Dempsey
Spain: Altidore, Dempsey
Costa Rica: Bradley (Jozy involved in the play... passed the ball to the winger while deep on the edge of the 18, before the winger crossed it into the box), Bornstein
England: Dempsey
Slovenia: Donovan, Bradley (Jozy assist)
Algeria: Donovan (Jozy involved, crosses ball into the box, keeper passed it to LD)
Ghana: Donovan

2014 Cycle: (Top 4 Hex = Mexico, US, Hon, CR)
Honduras: Dempsey
Costa Rica: Dempsey (Jozy involved, Dempsey poached the goal off of a well hit JA deflected shot)
Mexico:
Honduras: Altidore
Ghana: Dempsey, Brooks

2018 Cycle: (Top 4 Hex = Mexico, US, Pan, CR)
Mexico CCup: Cameron, Wood
Mexico Fall 2016: Wood (Jozy assist)
Mexico June 2017: Bradley
Costa Rica: Dempsey, Altidore

 

Move him to midfield.

 

how would you guys rank Jozy? among top 5 strikers in the league or what?

Cause with his 4 million a year salary, he had better be moving loads of jerseys.

 

He's not a forward that can do it all by himself but surround him with a few mobile players and he's very good. Better on a team that has the ball on their side a lot than a counter attacking team.

 

Extremely happy. He carried us the last half of last year when he was only 2nd best to Villa. And he's been worth every penny.

 

You're right. 5 goals

 

On that note, has two assists to Pulisic in WCQs this Hex. Vs T&T and Honduras. Also played the ball into Pulisic for Lletget's goal vs Honduras. His hold up play and passing greatly benefits CP

 

he needs to score for us. often it's the Dempsey show. Jozy needs to ensure it's the Altidore show

 

Jozy with Wood up top to start, Dempsey sub if needed off bench.

 

Start Dempsey with Altidore at home vs Costa Rica Friday.

Start Wood with Altidore at Honduras on Tuesday.