Moving Forward From the Gold Cup

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Maximum Optimal, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. NietzscheIsDead

    United States
    May 31, 2019

    Its best for the sport long term if the MLS becomes primarily a developmental league, at least in the short and medium term.

    Firstly, it allows the league to generate revenue by selling players. You focus your academies on recruiting primarily American players, but also began trying to snag players from Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Ecuador, Mexico, etc. The league already has this approach to some extent but usually grabs adults from other academies in South America. The MLS should develop high quality private education pathways for their youth players as well as part of the recruiting package. Have a dual credit program by which these players can learn skills for a career after soccer or if soccer doesn't pan out.

    Secondly, it develops a more consistent and more competitive base of local players for each MLS program to field a team from.
     
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  2. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly.
    With the exception of Mexico, the rest of our region looks less strong than I feared. Not impressed with Jamaica, Honduras, Costa Rica, or T and T. A lot can change in a year, but if we were playing the hex now, I am confident we would finish 2 or 3.
     
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  3. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wont disagree about the 23 and some of the substitutions, but to be "outcome oriented" on the Gold Cup, I thought we exceeded expectations.The team got better each game (with the obvious exception of the second half against Mexico) and we finished second behind the clear leader in our region.

    Frankly, I was encouraged by the Mexico first half. I thought we outplayed them.
     
  4. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Are you ignoring the part where multiple media members have alluded to it being the reason?

    Why do you choose to ignore evidence when it doesn't agree with you?
     
  5. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
     
  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    We're into semantics discussion here, which is pointless. Especially with you.

    I merely meant that I think MLS should focus quite a bit on development, but they should not be content with being an Eredivisie style league permanently.

    I don't think that is that far from someone who think MLS should devote everything to being a development league.
     
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  7. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Can you provide links as I haven’t seen any?
     
  8. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    You can google, too. Or twitter. Listen to podcasts, etc.
     
  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Given the rosters, 2nd was the bare minimum for the GC not to have been considered a failure.

    In terms of progress for this cycle, I'm looking for--

    Winning the 'A team' Gold Cup; didn't happen.
    Qualifying for the Olympics
    Making the Olympic Semis
    Winning Nation's League
    Getting WCQing results at Costa Rica and Azteca.
     
  10. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Yeah, I did google it before I asked and came up empty.

    I did see a lot of articles including this one that espn’s Jeff Carlyle states that “Tyler Boyd was mysteriously absent” but not a hint of what you’re saying is well known. Why wouldn’t Carlyle reference something if it was that well know and straightforward. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...er-tests-are-to-come-in-gold-cup?platform=amp

    I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but it appears that you’re full of it. You can have an opinion but don’t try and say that it’s well backed if it’s not FFS.
     
  11. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I simply added the three injured players to the 25 that were named as I didn’t want to make any assumptions on who replaces who. You are welcome to.
     
  12. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Holmes was in the final 23. He was dropped last minute because of injury. Yedlin, Adams and Brooks would have certainly made it. It's possible that Sargent would have made that squad.

    Respectfully, that's enough for me to dismiss MLS bias.
     
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  13. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019

    I never said it "well backed" or "well known." I said it was a rumor that multiple media members had mentioned.

    Once again, you are intellectually dishonest and a liar.

    You make up things you claim I say, and then call me "full of shit."

    You. are. a. liar. You do this OVER AND OVER. It can only be an intentional tactic.
     
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  14. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    A boy can dream :D.
     
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  15. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    If only the reference was as funny as Monty Python and not as pretentious as a 20 something repping The Brothers Karamazov.
     
  16. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Pure irony. You make up stuff all the time and then pass it off as something other than opinion.

    1. You state that multiple media members have said something and refuse to back it up when asked. After childishly stating, “google it”, you have nothing to say when the google search comes up empty. I’m happy to discuss if there actually are respected media members who have stated that - that’s why I asked after coming up empty.

    2. You stated that Berhalter was clear in stating that there were veterans who wouldn’t be there in 2022 and were at the gold cup for leadership and when asked to show where he actually said it, it wasn’t clear at all but simply your interpretation of what he said.

    3. You stated that you heard that Alvarez “doesn’t work hard” but when asked to back it up, you said, “I heard it”.

    Here’s a thought, when you make a unfounded statement, claim it as opinion. Don’t try and make it seem that there’s a basis for it. Otherwise, you’re full of it (which btw is different the from what you said I wrote but who cares about lies, right?)
     
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  17. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    That wasn't what I was referencing, I was talking about the stuttering stepping, halting run in two parts. It's really awkward, and weird. There's nothing fluid at all about it, like say, Rapinoe's to Wambach's head back in '11, or that Lewis cross to Donovan against Mexico later in that tournament. Not sure how anyone could watch that and say it was like artful, everything about it screams awkward 1980's American soccer until you see it goes EXACTLY where it needed to go, and McBride made the run EXACTLY where he needed to, and his execution, like Sanneh's of the cross itself ends up being perfect. The difference for me is in the aesthetics because there's such an awkward, comic quality to the play from Sanneh's end, even his howitzer like delivery, which ended up being literally PERFECT.

    Wrapped up in my criticism of the aesthetics of the play is a recognition that the execution was literally perfect. I hope you guys can see that, and I can't see how it's possible to watch it and also miss the comic quality of the play before the picture perfect execution to tie it together at the end.
     
  18. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    FYP, though w/a grammatical mistake. There is heavy, heavy, heavy evidence that we are producing attacking prospects from the 1997's and beyond at a rate higher than at any time since that famed '99/'01 Bradenton group, and I honestly believe the kids coming largely from that '97 or so period and beyond will bring us closer to that '02 era than anything that has come since over the past two decades. It's just gonna take a little patience, hoping for health for the kids and continued positive development curves. If all goes well, we should be seeing the full flowering of these guys between 2019-2022, we'll know how well or badly things went within the next 18-24 months.
     
  19. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Here's a thought -- when quoting someone, don't intentionally lie about what they said in order to try and win an argument.

    You've done it over and over. You're intellectually dishonest and a liar.

    P.S. the #1 rumor was mentioned on twitter by multiple journalists, on scuffed, on extra time... I'm not making it up. And I clearly identified it as a rumor.

    #2 ... it's pretty damn clear.

    #3 ... I know people who would know. But I'm not going to out them. You can choose to believe it.

    Either way, I won't be responding to you anymore. It's not worth the effort of having to go back and prove you are lying about what I've said.
     
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  20. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    You’re now saying that the “most reasonable explanation” why Boyd didn’t play in the last two games was because of something that wasn’t “well-backed” or “well-known“ but rather some rumors by multiple media members that you won’t verify?

    If it was neither “well backed” or “well know “, then why the f*** would it be “the most reasonable explanation”?
     
  21. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Understood.

    For me, given the disgraceful words and follow up action of the predecessor coach, I need more than bringing major league starters into camp (duh!) and a single handful of other players.
     
  22. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You were repping The Brothers Karamazov?............:coffee:
     
  23. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    So a Twitter rumor is “the most reasonable explanation” for Boyd’s not playing?

    Your desire to further your agenda is simply breath-taking - you should be a PR flack for a politician
     
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  24. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    #224 DHC1, Jul 17, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2019
    Lol. I did a search on Twitter and nada (I rarely use twitter so maybe I’m missing something).

    I wish I was surprised that you not only “know people” who are familiar with an MLS team enough to know the work habits of a 17-year old dual-national youth player but also “know” them well enough that these people would share a negative opinion with you despite him being a kid. I’m also not surprised that you then stated it on BS, thereby slagging a 17 year old dual national. Not in the least given your agenda.

    Let me guess: It.is.a.LIE!!!!
     
  25. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    One of my favorite memories of that play was the quote from one of the two later, that it was a play they use to run all the time when they both played either minor-league or amateur ball together when they were younger players.
     

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