MLS vs. USL

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions Cup' started by rugman, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And as I said, the winner is guaranteed $1,000,000 from the CWC. So, really, you should make that read Champions League: $1,036,000 (12-14 games)

    MLS doesn't give anything to the Supporters' Shield winner? They should.
     
  2. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hahaha, they get a chance at $1,036,000.00

    I'm pretty sure the CONCACAF Champions League has a better prize than that. Unless they lowered it from last year.
     
  3. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair enough. But I'm guessing the $36,000 for the winner means the runner-up and 3-4 place finishers (who don't get to go to the CWC) have very little to play for.
     
  4. nfiniti

    nfiniti Member

    Jun 30, 2007
    Rutherford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Panama
    they should really do away with the superliga and pass on some or all of that prize money to the Champions league..
     
  5. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Superliga is run by SUM, not CONCACAF.
     
  6. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But the prize money comes from proceeds from attendance and TV Revenue. If you take the competition away, you don't have the money to move.

    Superliga has a multiple double headers to help lower the costs; plus they've had good attendance.
     
  7. SAFC Yank

    SAFC Yank Member

    May 15, 2007
    Bellingham, WA
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Fixed your post.
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The Supporters' Shield is barely recognized by MLS. The trophy was paid for and is given out by the supporters' groups.

    Getting the CCL bid was the first sign that it was considered an official prize.
     
  9. Zenitfan

    Zenitfan Member

    May 31, 2001
    Dayton, OH

    Wait wait wait wait wait hold the phone. So the CCL winner gets $36k for winning the whole thing? Is there money distributed along the way? Like you get around $500k cumulatively spread out over 12-14 games? Because if not then, lol, useless tourney.
     
  10. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not useless when the winner gets $1,000,000.00 just for qualifying for the CWC (only hosts and OFC are guaranteed less, while UEFA and CONMEBOL are guaranteed more). If they win the first match in the CWC that number goes up. They can't qualify without winning CONCACAF.
     
  11. Nazzer

    Nazzer New Member

    Jan 12, 2008
    Penticton,BC,Canada
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Who is this Glenn Davis guy thats providing this 36,000 number, and why should we beleive him? I'm guessing that UEFA and AFC publish they're info on their websites, concacafr does not, so how are we to prove this 36,000 number?
     
  12. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Glenn Davis is a well-respected soccer journalist. He has called games for ABC and ESPN and is the current color man for Dynamo games; he also writes a column in the Houston Chronicle. He has some credibility even when he doesn't reveal his sources.
     
  13. nfiniti

    nfiniti Member

    Jun 30, 2007
    Rutherford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Panama
    So, only the winner of the CCL gets a prize?? nothing nada zilch for all the other teams???? nothing for making it to quarters, semis & final??
     
  14. zidja

    zidja Member

    Jul 26, 2006
    They get to host more games which should in theory mean more gate revenue, hot dogs sold, tv money, etc. If a team with a following like Seattle or TFC reached the group stage, that would be 4 more sold-out games. So far, not many MLS teams seem to hype up the event unfortunately. That winter game sell-out in Montreal last year must have netted several hundred thousand bucks for the Impact.
     
  15. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahem, ahem...

    Puerto Rico Islanders 0 (1) - 0 (0) Toronto FC

    ...so, for anyone keeping score, the USL team just booted its MLS opponent from the tournament, leaving Toronto to suffer the double embarrassment that Montréal still holds the record for the best international performance of a Canadian club, while Puerto Rico Islanders will have to prepare for their first game in the group stage against what (according to the how they qualified) should be the best MLS team in this competition.
     
  16. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    LOL bye bye Toronto. MLS teams have only won 2 games out of 30 against non MLS competition in this tournament.
     
  17. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    when a league such as the MLS is only 10 years old who cares about the money they should be playing to prove they are a good league. so far the USL is better lmfao
     
  18. LN - Dougg

    LN - Dougg Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    Dale City, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    El Salvador
    Because they have won have many CONCACAF titles as compared to MLS?
    Because they have won how many USOC titles as compared to MLS?

    DCU moves on to the group stay, via PKs... So that's 2 MLS in with a possible third tonight.
     
  19. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, the USL record vs. MLS teams since 1996 is pretty bad. They have had a few notable victories over the years but the vast majority of the time MLS has come on top.

    Besides, TFC is canadian and we dont really care about them anyway, as americans Puerto Rico is more american than TFC.
     
  20. TFoAV

    TFoAV New Member

    Jul 25, 2009
    Atlanta, GA, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't believe that this is a serious debate. LN - Dougg wins the thread. I like the USL, hell I used to follow it when the Silverbacks were active...but until Puerto Rico even comes close to winning CCL and a USL team other than the Rochester Rhinos has a USOC title run, I'm not trying to hear this. Yeah, Puerto Rico won their aggregate, but that's all it was. They were the better team over the span of 2 games. (I actually want to see the Islanders go on another giant killing run.) That does not mean that USL > MLS. I'm pretty sure everybody knows that if the MLS actually made this a priority, they'd do much better. But until then, the argument that the USL is better than MLS is a silly one at best.
     
  21. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actaully. Columbus and Houston (also the league's two best teams this year) are in already as in now DC...NY can make it 4 for 4 from the MLS (USSF eligable) tongiht.
     
  22. SAFC Yank

    SAFC Yank Member

    May 15, 2007
    Bellingham, WA
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Check the data. 3 of 29. Not all that different, but you're also being pretty selective in your time frame. Houston has a winning record, unless I miscounted, at 5 wins, 7 ties and 4 losses.
     
  23. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    new competition, new history, apparently. thats why such a shit league like mls is gifted four spots.
     
  24. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    you would be surprised the things that have been said on these boards over the years...
     
  25. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, the U.S. was probably given four spots at least in part because they were the second most successful country in the old tournament, behind Mexico.

    Costa Rica was a pretty close third and possibly should have gotten more spots...except that only two Costa Rican teams had any kind of success in the old tournament. This year, Costa Rica did get a third slot, and the team they sent got slaughtered 6-2 at home in their preliminary match.

    So if the U.S. loses spots, who should they lose them to?
     

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