MLS Superdraft 2017

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by firstshirt, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly, after McCrary's non-year and the Neumann/Mullins debacle, I'm super unexcited about the upcoming Superdraft. I'm beginning to think that we only did okay with Farrell because we basically didn't have to rely on our own scouts (such as they aren't) to assess him. And with our low picks this year, we won't have that groupthink scouting in January.

    If Burns and Heaps are making the picks again this year, why should we expect to pick anyone who'll help us?
     
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  2. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The best draft pick is a traded draft pick.
     
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  3. VTSoccerFan

    VTSoccerFan Member+

    New England Revolution, Vermont Catamounts, NCFC
    United States
    Jun 28, 2002
    Cary, NC
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I tend to agree, unless the pick is known to be a cannot miss player. A top 1 - 10 pick in a deep draft.

    I agree because the Revs organization lacks a USL team under its control (or a committed USL partner or the desire to utilize long term *season long* loans to USL teams) that could be used to develop a drafted player in anticipation of said player getting little to no MLS minutes as a rookie. In refusing to invest in one of these options the Revs have really stacked the deck against their draft picks and young professionals by installing a revolving door at the end of the roster. Each year there is a new crop with the same small odds of catching on. Each year the Revs look like they do not have a player development plan.

    I feel like most draft picks after the first round (or even late first rounders at this point) should expect to be loaned out by the Revs unless they have a standout pre-season and they should not complain. It really is their best chance at making an MLS team or not having to experience three teams in three years (last year of college, MLS bench for the Revs, USL team/not the Revs). Then after the loan year, they come back and compete for a chance to make the Revs again the following pre-season. At that point the Revs might choose one more year of loan or to cut bait if the player is not MLS ready.

    For example, let's say the Revs draft a left back this year. If he is not MLS ready, then loan him to a USL club. Next year the player is a year older (so is Chris Tierney) and has played a lot of minutes. In the pre-season of 2018 see how the player looks and see how he compares to the new draft picks. If he is not ready, but is progressing (or looks better than the draft picks or projects to be better than the draft picks) maybe loan him out again. This approach also makes it so that the Revs do not have all of their eggs in the 2018 draft basket. Then the same thing happens in 2019. In the pre-season of 2019 the 2017 draftee has two years as a pro, competes against new 2019 draftees, and Tierney is two years older. Now maybe he makes the team and we have a guy with some experience who can step in for Tierney or share minutes with Tierney. I think this is a better option than iteratively going through draft picks and hoping one will be good enough to stick.
     
  4. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looks that way because they do not have a player development plan.
     
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  5. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a major weakness. If a drafted player cannot contribute immediately, he's buried. There's nothing in between.
     
  6. abecedarian

    abecedarian Member+

    Mar 25, 2009
    SSSomerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    However, injuries can always upset that particular equation.
     
  7. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They are 5 years ahead remember; by 2022 the FO is probably convinced the draft will be all but phased out and there won't be a need for a dev plan. They can spend that extra time on scouting, justifying no need for a scout. KIASBM :rolleyes:
     
  8. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  9. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any scouting report on Wuilito? (Be sure to send a bill to Burnsie for your effort.)
     
  10. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good finisher, pretty fast kid. Seen him do some good hold up play as well. From what I've heard about him, really good teammate. Hasn't missed too many games due to injury (knock on wood). His bio from the team site.

    Ted Priestly, ex-Lowell coach, ex-Holy Cross coach, was a proponent of this kid a while back. Told me three years ago (when we were hanging out having a cigar at my local place) that Wuilito would be the first Lowell kid drafted. He sure seems like he nailed this one.
     
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  11. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Revs will probably draft him, since the just love the local angle, but unless he can immediately set the world on fire like Jordan Morris, he'd probably be destined to rot halfway to Rochester. Not playing here, not loaned there, but just hanging out at a rest stop on I-90 somewhere between Gloversville and Utica NY.
     
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  12. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Remember Donnie Smith started his first professional game in 2013? Since then, he's started just 4 other games. His development plan was apparently starting 5 league games and a few USOC appearances in 4 seasons.

    I really hope Herivaux isn't on the same plan.
     
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  13. IRguy

    IRguy Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    Vermont
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lets hope not, but to be fair I think Donnie Smith has spent more then haft of his career on the injury list.
     
  14. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2017 MLS SuperDraft order
    December 19, 2016, 12:00PM EST

    SuperDraft is only 10 days away. Might as well start thinking about that now. It's not like the Revs will make any other moves before then...
     
  15. Jon Martin

    Jon Martin Member+

    Apr 25, 2000
    SE Mass
    Our thinking will be the disinterested, analytical kind, given that our picks are #20, #31, and #71 - picks whose only value would be for a lower division affiliate that doesn't exist.

    It will give us a chance to talk about how Chicago, Columbus, Houston, and the noobs will improve.
     
  16. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's even more perplexing. An oft-injured fringe player who rarely makes the 18 is still on the team.
     
  17. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But he doesn't cost anywhere near as much as some high-priced DP. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
     
  18. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. BrianLBI

    BrianLBI BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 7, 2002
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Femi replacement?
     
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  21. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. VTSoccerFan

    VTSoccerFan Member+

    New England Revolution, Vermont Catamounts, NCFC
    United States
    Jun 28, 2002
    Cary, NC
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does anybody think that the Revs will try to make a trade to get an earlier first round pick? If so, what does that package look like? TAM/GAM/picks/players?
     
  23. Steve_R

    Steve_R Member

    Feb 25, 2001
    Somerville, MA
    If we take any of these 5 non GA players we'll automatically increase our roster size with them already signed to MLS!

    In addition, four incoming seniors also signed MLS deals as Notre Dame’s Brandon Aubrey, Providence’s Julian Gressel, Boston College’s Zeiko Lewis and Vermont’s Brian Wright have officially signed with the league. Joining them is Duke’s Jeremy Ebobisse, who signed with MLS in 2016 after foregoing his sophomore year with the Blue Devils to get a head start on his MLS career.
     
  24. Brian in Boston

    Brian in Boston Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    MA & CA, USA
    This time of year is so confusing for Revolution supporters. After all, which "superdraft" are we supposed to be discussing in this thread? Is it the breeze occupying the space between Brian Bilello's ears, the wind whistling around the inside of Mike Burns' melon, or the airflow passing through Jay Heaps' cranium?
     
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