MLS Playoff Race 2007 [R]

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Gemmell, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. jlo

    jlo New Member

    May 18, 2000
    Baton Rouge, LA
    LA has played 20, so their maximum attainable is 47.
     
  2. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Code:
            GP   W   L   D   Pts  GR  MPT  T#   M#  SSE#
    1 DCU   24   14  6   4   43   6   64   37   2   19
    2 NER   24   12  6   6   42   7   60   33   6   15
    3 HOU   25   12  7   6   42   5   57   30   6   12
    4 CDC   22   12  6   4   40   8   64   37   8   19
    5 FCD   23   12  8   3   39   7   60   33   9   15
    6 NYR   24   11  10  3   36   6   54   27   12  9
    7 KCW   24   9   9   6   33   6   51   24   15  6
    8 CHI   23   8   10  5   29   7   50   23   19  5
      COL   24   7   10  7   28   6   46   19   20  1
      CMB   24   6   8   10  28   6   46   19   20  1
      TFC   23   5   13  5   20   7   41   14   28  -
      RSL   22   4   12  6   18   8   42   15   30  -
      LAG   20   4   11  5   17   10  47   20   31  2
    
    GR = Games Remaining
    MPT = Maximum Points a team can achieve
    M# = Is the Magic Number I calculated 
    T# = Is Knave's Tragic Number till Elimination
    SSE# = Supporters Shield Elimination Number (Points missed until eliminated)
    Updated to include yesterdays games. jlo thanks for catching the mistake on the Galaxies games left. Left out a function in Excel. I also miscalculated all the Magic Numbers for teams in the port 2 days ago. I inadvertantly used Colorado as the 9th place team to calculations. When in fact the Galaxy have the 9th highest possible points.

    DC can clinch on Wednesday
    Beyond that it gets tough to say what a team needs Because take Houston who needs 6 points to clinch. Well beating the Galaxy doesn't quite do it as Columbus and Colorado both have Maximum total points at 46.

    We could see 3-4 teams clinch this week.
     
  3. Spurs7

    Spurs7 New Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    Gemmell, DC has 46 points. So with the win over RSL, DC United has clinched the first playoff spot because the bottom 5 teams can't catch them in points.
     
  4. spidergoose

    spidergoose Member

    Nov 2, 2004
    Annapolis
    Club:
    DC United
    United has 49, actually. What you said is still correct though.
     
  5. Gemmell

    Gemmell New Member

    May 10, 2003
    Gaithersburg, MD
    Code:
            GP   W   L   D   Pts  GR  MPT  T#   M#  SSE#
    1 DCU   25   15  6   4   49   5   64   37   X   16
    2 NER   24   12  6   6   42   6   60   33   6   12
    3 HOU   25   12  7   6   42   5   57   30   6   9
    4 CDC   22   12  6   4   40   8   64   37   8   16
    5 FCD   23   12  8   3   39   7   60   33   9   12
    6 NYR   24   11  10  3   36   6   54   27   12  6
    7 KCW   24   9   9   6   33   6   51   24   15  3
    8 CHI   23   8   10  5   29   7   50   23   19  2
      COL   24   7   10  7   28   6   46   19   20  -
      CMB   24   6   8   10  28   6   46   19   20  -
      TFC   23   5   13  5   20   7   41   14   28  -
      RSL   23   4   13  6   18   7   39   12   30  -
      LAG   20   4   11  5   17   10  47   20   31  -
    
    GR = Games Remaining
    MPT = Maximum Points a team can achieve
    M# = Is the Magic Number I calculated 
    T# = Is Knave's Tragic Number till Elimination
    SSE# = Supporters Shield Elimination Number (Points missed until eliminated)
    DC Clinched with a win last night.

    Teams that could clinch this week (Ending Sunday)
    New England
    Houston
    Chivas
     
  6. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Please double check this table as any computational accuracy it may exhibit is purely accidental. :p

    T# above the playoff line doesn't really make any sense to me. So I left it out.

    Code:
             GP   W   L   D   PTS  GR  MPT  T#  M#  SSE#
    1   DCU  25   15  6   4   49   5   64   -   X   16
    2   NER  25   13  6   6   45   5   60   -   2   12
    3   CDC  23   13  6   4   43   7   64   -   4   16
    4   HOU  25   12  7   6   42   5   57   -   5   9
    5   FCD  24   12  9   3   39   6   57   -   8   9
    6   NYR  25   11  10  4   37   5   52   -   10  4
    7   KCW  25   10  9   6   36   5   51   -   11  3
    8   CHI  24   8   10  6   30   6   48   -   17  -
    ---------------------------------------------------
    9   CMB  25   6   9   10  28   5   43   14  19  -
    10  COL  24   7   10  7   28   6   46   17  19  -
    11  TFC  24   5   13  6   21   6   39   10  26  -
    12  RSL  24   4   13  7   19   6   37   8   28  -
    13  LAG  21   4   12  5   17   9   44   15  30  -
    
    MPT = Most Points Potential = PTS + (3*GR)
    T# = Tragic Number = MPT – (8th Place PTS) + 1
    M# = Magic Number = (Highest 9th to 13th Place MPT) – PTS + 1
    SSE# = MPT - (1st Place PTS) + 1
    
     
  7. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    The disclaimer above still stands ... doubly so. :eek:
    Code:
             GP  W   L   D   PTS  GR  MPT  T#  M#  SSE#
    1   DCU  25  15  6   4   49   5   64   -   X   16
    2   HOU  26  13  7   6   45   4   57   -   X   9
    3   NER  25  13  6   6   45   5   60   -   X   12
    4   CDC  24  13  6   5   44   6   62   -   1   14
    5   FCD  24  12  9   3   39   6   57   -   6   9
    6   NYR  25  11  10  4   37   5   52   -   8   4
    7   KCW  25  10  9   6   36   5   51   -   9   3
    8   CHI  24  8   10  6   30   6   48   -   15  -
    --------------------------------------------------
    9   COL  25  7   10  8   29   5   44   15  16  -
    10  CMB  25  6   9   10  28   5   43   14  17  -
    11  TFC  24  5   13  6   21   6   39   10  24  -
    12  RSL  24  4   13  7   19   6   37   8   26  -
    13  LAG  22  4   13  5   17   8   41   12  28  -
    
    MPT = Most Points Potential = PTS + (3*GR)
    T# = Tragic Number = MPT – (8th Place PTS) + 1
    M# = Magic Number = (Highest 9th to 13th Place MPT) – PTS + 1
    SSE# = SS Elimination Number = MPT - (1st Place PTS) + 1
    
    New England and Houston clinch. I think ...
     
  8. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Code:
             GP  W   L   D   PTS  GR  MPT  T#  M#  SSE#
    1   DCU  25  15  6   4   49   5   64   -   X   16
    2   HOU  26  13  7   6   45   4   57   -   X   9
    3   NER  25  13  6   6   45   5   60   -   X   12
    4   CDC  24  13  6   5   44   6   62   -   1   14
    5   FCD  24  12  9   3   39   6   57   -   6   9
    6   NYR  25  11  10  4   37   5   52   -   8   4
    7   KCW  25  10  9   6   36   5   51   -   9   3
    8   CHI  24  8   10  6   30   6   48   -   15  -
    --------------------------------------------------
    9   COL  25  7   10  8   29   5   44   15  16  -
    10  CMB  25  6   9   10  28   5   43   14  17  -
    11  TFC  24  5   13  6   21   6   39   10  24  -
    12  RSL  25  4   13  8   20   5   35   6   25  -
    13  LAG  23  4   13  6   18   7   39   10  27  -
    
    MPT = Most Points Potential = PTS + (3*GR)
    T# = Tragic Number = MPT – (8th Place PTS) + 1
    M# = Magic Number = (Highest 9th to 13th Place MPT) – PTS + 1
    SSE# = SS Elimination Number = MPT - (1st Place PTS) + 1
    
    If I'm right (always questionable) RSL will be eliminated from the playoffs this weekend if 1) Chicago wins, and 2) RSL loses.
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FYP. Since FSL is playing Colorado in a Rocky Mountain Cup match them losing will mean they can't catch Colorado and they will be eliminated from playoff contention.
     
  10. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Aha! That's right. So what it really boils down to is that RSL will be eliminated this weekend. ;)
     
  11. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm new to this thread so I was just wondering what the importantance of the tragic number was.
     
  12. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    It's a measure of how close a team is to playoff elimination. In other words, how many points can they lose before they can't catch up to the current 8th place team.
     
  13. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Code:
             GP  W   L   D   PTS  GR  MPT  PPG   T#  M#  SSE#
    1   DCU  25  15  6   4   49   5   64   1.96  -   -   16
    2   HOU  26  13  7   6   45   4   57   1.73  -   -   9
    3   NER  25  13  6   6   45   5   60   1.8   -   -   12
    4   CDC  24  13  6   5   44   6   62   1.83  -   1   14
    5   FCD  25  12  9   4   40   5   55   1.6   -   5   7
    6   NYR  25  11  10  4   37   5   52   1.48  -   8   4
    7   KCW  25  10  9   6   36   5   51   1.44  -   9   3
    8   CHI  25  8   10  7   31   5   46   1.24  -   14  -
    --------------------------------------------------------
    9   COL  25  7   10  8   29   5   44   1.16  14  16  -
    10  CMB  25  6   9   10  28   5   43   1.12  13  17  -
    11  TFC  24  5   13  6   21   6   39   0.88  9   24  -
    12  RSL  25  4   13  8   20   5   35   0.8   5   25  -
    13  LAG  23  4   13  6   18   7   39   0.78  9   27  -
    
    MPT = Most Points Potential = PTS + (3*GR)
    T# = Tragic Number = MPT – (8th Place PTS) + 1
    M# = Magic Number = (Highest 9th to 13th Place MPT) – PTS + 1
    SSE# = SS Elimination Number = MPT - (1st Place PTS) + 1
    
     
  14. thistle fc

    thistle fc New Member

    Feb 10, 2007
  15. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: MLS Playoff Race 2007, Another Metric?

    Code:
             GP  W   L   D   PTS  GR  MPP  PPG   T#  M#  SSE#
    1   DCU  26  15  6   5   50   4   62   1.92  -   -   13
    2   CDC  25  14  6   5   47   5   62   1.88  -   -   13
    3   NER  26  13  6   7   46   4   58   1.77  -   -   9
    4   HOU  26  13  7   6   45   4   57   1.73  -   -   8
    5   FCD  26  12  10  4   40   4   52   1.54  -   4   3
    6   NYR  26  11  10  5   38   4   50   1.46  -   6   1
    7   KCW  26  10  10  6   36   4   48   1.38  -   8   -
    8   CHI  26  8   10  8   32   4   44   1.23  -   12  -
    --------------------------------------------------------
    9   CMB  26  7   9   10  31   4   43   1.19  12  13  -
    10  COL  26  7   11  8   29   4   41   1.12  10  15  -
    11  RSL  26  5   13  8   23   4   35   0.88  4   21  -
    12  LAG  24  5   13  6   21   6   39   0.88  8   23  -
    13  TFC  25  5   14  6   21   5   36   0.84  5   23  -
    
    MPP = Most Points Potential = PTS + (3*GR)
    T# = Tragic Number = MPP – (8th Place PTS) + 1
    M# = Magic Number = (Highest 9th to 13th Place MPP) – PTS + 1
    SSE# = SS Elimination Number = MPP - (1st Place PTS) + 1
    
    Here's why I think the Tragic Number is interesting. So LA did everything right this week to preserve their very slim playoff hopes: they won. But their Tragic Number is actually worse this week than it was last week. That is because Chicago's draw raised the bar for taking over 8th place. So last week LA's MPP was 39 and Chicago PTS was 31 and that meant LA's Tragic Number was 9. This week LA's win preserved their MPP at 39, but Chicago's draw bumped their PTS to 32 and that means LA's Tragic Number dropped to 8. Even with the win, the noose around LA's neck actually tightened. Same thing happened to RSL.
     
  16. DLee

    DLee Member

    Apr 24, 2006
    Chicago
    What would the playoff matchups be if the season ended today?
     
  17. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
  18. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Re: MLS Playoff Race 2007, Another Metric?

    what really hurt LA was their tie at RSL on Wednesday. their win on Sunday was big.

    had LA really done "everything right this week to preserve their very slim playoff hopes", they'd be at 23 points right now, and not 21.

    if they can string together 6 more wins to close out the season, they'd get to 39 points (which could very well be enough to get them by all of CHI, CMB & COL).

    of course, LA winning 6 more in a row is a long shot, but they are alive (as long as they keep getting W's and not draws or losses).
     
  19. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: MLS Playoff Race 2007, Another Metric?

    Forgot about that midweek game. I was just thinking in terms of since my last update - which was after that midweek game.
    I think it's beyond a long shot looking at their schedule. Look at all those away games against mid-table teams.

    @ KCW
    @ CMB
    @ HOU
    TFC
    NYR
    @ CHI
     
  20. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regarding LA's (slim) chances, it always looks worse when you stack them all together.

    Take it week by week, and it looks brighter (a bit). This week, Chicago at Chivas (probably a loss) and Colorado at New England (ditto). Fire stay at 32, Rapids at 29.

    If LA wins at KC (who have not been playing well lately, especially if you throw out the miracle comeback vs. the Crew) and then at Columbus, they are sitting with 27 points. Five back of Chicago with a game in hand, with four left to play (for LA).

    Still a tall order, but no so outrageous, especially since since Chicago closes (@ CHV, NE, @ DC and home to LA). Basically, LA needs to be withing 6 points of 8th (especially if its Chicago) heading into the last week. All they'd have to do is win a meaningless (for NYRB game at home and then beat the Fire on the road to seal it).

    Again, its a long shot, but since they have one six-pointer left.......
     
  21. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    it's not like a team has to be a "good" team to be the 8th out of 13 teams.

    two wins this week would get LA to 27 points. yes, they could get to 39 by the end of the season. but even 39 might not be enough to qualify a team for MLS playoffs 2007.

    but again, if LA puts a bit of a winning streak together, they could be in the race (along with the Fire, Crew & Rapids) for the final playoff spot (or even the 7th spot currently held by KC -- who after Thursday's game home to LA host DC then travel to NY and Dallas to close out their season).

    if LA does win on Thursday and Sunday, the playoff race could be a very exciting and tight one in the final three weeks.

    even without LA involved, the battle between the Fire, Crew & Rapids also has a lot of potential for a great race.
     
  22. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My name is Sachsen, and I approve this thread.
     
  23. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Let's see if LA can win a road game first, then we'll see about a couple in a row, then we'll start thinking about an outside shot at the playoffs. Most of us Galaxy fans are now looking at these games as nothing more than momentum builders for next season...
     
  24. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    First of all, I just want to say that I don’t think LA’s goin’ to no playoffs or nothing.

    But I must point out that it won’t be easy to take points from us in the month of October, mainly b/c we will be getting back so many players who have been injured, including quality players like Albright and Beckham.

    This will accomplish 2 things:

    1. give rest to already weary players
    2. give rest to guys that are playing injured and are “taking one for the team”

    So we’ll finally be able to field a somewhat reasonable side, something we haven’t been able to do all season.
     
  25. FlapJack

    FlapJack Member+

    Mar 3, 2006
    Los Angeles
    You know, I like to think of these games as the 2008 MLS Superdraft Race. (Of course San Jose already cheated by sitting out of the league a few years and get an automatic #1, but teams are still fighting for #2 pick.) I also like to think of them as an audition for season ticket holders who haven't called their ticket reps yet about next season - a "sampler", if you will, of what an actual MLS game with a competitive Galaxy team might look like. (You have to ignore that the games are probably meaningless, and that most of the guys playing are reserves or injured, and often you have to ignore the results on the scoreboard too :))
     

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