MLS-owned USL teams

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by EPJr, Apr 30, 2014.

  1. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    NKY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I'm not mistaken, someone within the Rapids franchise leadership is from Charlotte. There's also a Rapids club affiliate in Charlotte. It all comes from that leadership connection.
     
  2. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    North Carolina is one of the few "hot spots" for youth soccer talent that isn't in a MLS team's "footprint" when it comes to having "rights" to players in that area. SKC's last 2 Homegrown players have been from North Carolina. It's possible they think/thought a professional connection in NC would help them access that talent.
     
  3. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    We are now just over one quarter of the way through the 2018 regular season so it's time for an update of how the various types of teams are doing.

    The standings:
    New Teams (I included the teams that moved from other leagues)
    MLS2 Teams ( RGVFC and Reno count but not Charlotte)
    *Unaffiliated

    I split the colors on the new MLS2 teams.

    STANDINGS
    EAST
    1. Louisville* 2.00
    2. Pittsburgh* 2.00
    3. Charleston* 1.89
    4. Cincinnati* 1.89
    5. Indy* 1.75
    6. NY RB II 1.56
    7. Nashville* 1.50
    8. Charlotte 1.38
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    9. Tampa Bay* 1.33
    10. Richmond 1.25
    11. Penn* 1.11
    12. Ottawa 1.00
    13. Bethlehem 1.00
    14. North Carolina* 0.88
    15. Atlanta 2 0.75
    16. Toronto II 0.25

    WEST
    1. Real Monarchs 2.44
    2. Phoenix* 2.10
    3. Sacramento* 1.80
    4. Orange Cty 1.70
    5. Portland 2 1.70
    6. Swope Park 1.67
    7. San Antonio 1.44
    8. St. Louis 1.40
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    9. Reno 1.30
    10. Co. Springs* 1.27
    11. Las Vegas* 1.25
    12. Fresno 1.09
    13. RGVFC 0.88
    14. Seattle 2 0.78
    15. LAG II 0.67
    16. Tulsa 0.55
    17. OKC 0.33

    There is quite a difference between East and West. For one thing, there are now 9 unaffiliated teams in the East with only 4 in the West. 6 of those in the East are in the top 8 while only 2 are in the top in the West. As far as MLS2 teams, the opposite is true. 3 of them are in top in the West while only 1 is in the East. New teams tend toward the bottom of each conference although the two in the West are completely new while the East is more divided both in placement and in how long the organizations have been around. That doesn't seem to be a key factor with the completely new team in Nashville in 7th place.

    OVERALL STANDINGS

    1. Real Monarchs 2.44
    2. Phoenix* 2.10
    3. Louisville* 2.00
    4. Pittsburgh* 2.00
    5. Charleston* 1.89
    6. Cincinnati* 1.89
    7. Sacramento* 1.80
    8. Indy* 1.75
    9. Orange Cty 1.70
    10. Portland 2 1.70
    11. Swope Park 1.67
    12. NY RB II 1.56
    13. Nashville* 1.50
    14. San Antonio 1.44
    15. St. Louis 1.40
    16. Charlotte 1.38
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    17. Tampa Bay* 1.33
    18. Reno 1.30
    19. Co. Springs* 1.27
    20. Las Vegas* 1.25
    21. Richmond 1.25
    22. Penn* 1.11
    23. Fresno 1.09
    24. Ottawa 1.00
    25. Bethlehem 1.00
    26. RGVFC 0.88
    27. North Carolina* 0.88
    28. Seattle 2 0.78
    29. Atlanta 2 0.75
    30. LAG II 0.67
    31. Tulsa 0.55
    32. OKC 0.33
    33. Toronto II 0.25

    The top of the table is a MLS2 team but then there are 7 unaffiliated teams in a row right behind them. While there is a good mix of teams in the top 16 the MLS2 teams tend toward the bottom overall. There is only 1 unaffiliated team in the bottom 11 teams.

    I often argue that there isn't much difference between an unaffiliated team and an independent team that takes in a couple of players on loan but the results seem to be showing something different. I can think of a couple reasons why that might be the case. It will be interesting to see if this trend continues.
     
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  4. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jonathan Tannenwald‏ @thegoalkeeper 8m8 minutes ago
    Toronto FC II becomes the first MLS-run USL team to move to the USL’s third division for next year.
     
  5. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Last week we went past the half-way point of the 2018 USL regular season. Here is the latest comparison of the different types of teams.

    The standings:
    New Teams (I included the teams that moved from other leagues)
    MLS2 Teams ( RGVFC and Reno count but not Charlotte)
    *Unaffiliated

    I split the colors on the new MLS2 teams.

    STANDINGS
    EAST
    1. Pittsburgh* 2.00
    2. Cincinnati* 1.94
    3. Louisville* 1.81
    4. Nashville* 1.69
    5. Indy* 1.65
    6. Charleston* 1.53
    7. NY RB II 1.39
    8. Penn* 1.39
    --------------------------
    9. Bethlehem 1.35
    10. Charlotte 1.33
    11. Tampa Bay* 1.29
    12. Ottawa 1.23
    13. North Carolina* 1.18
    14. Richmond 1.06
    15. Atlanta 2 0.69
    16. Toronto II 0.18

    WEST
    1. Real Monarchs 2.11
    2. Phoenix* 1.94
    3. Swope Park 1.82
    4. Reno 1.79
    5. Orange Cty 1.67
    6. Sacramento* 1.58
    7. Portland 2 1.44
    8. San Antonio 1.38
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    9. Co. Springs* 1.25
    10. Las Vegas* 1.25
    11. Fresno 1.25
    12. St. Louis 1.22
    13. LAG II 1.05
    14. OKC 1.00
    15. RGVFC 0.76
    16. Seattle 2 0.69
    17. Tulsa 0.67

    Unaffiliated teams in the East continue to dominate with 7 in the top 8. There are still only 2 in the top 8 in the West. MLS2 teams in the East are almost all in the lower half while 4 are in the top 8 in the West. There are also 3 MLS2 teams in the bottom 5 in the West. New teams are mostly in the lower half of each conference but Nashville and Indy continue to perform well.


    OVERALL STANDINGS

    1. Real Monarchs 2.11
    2. Pittsburgh* 2.00
    3. Phoenix* 1.94
    4. Cincinnati* 1.94
    5. Swope Park 1.82
    6. Louisville* 1.81
    7. Reno 1.79
    8. Nashville* 1.69
    9. Orange Cty 1.67
    10. Indy* 1.65
    11. Sacramento* 1.58
    12. Charleston* 1.53
    13. Portland 2 1.44
    14. NY RB II 1.39
    15. Penn* 1.39
    16. San Antonio 1.38
    --------------------------
    17. Bethlehem 1.35
    18. Charlotte 1.33
    19. Tampa Bay* 1.29
    20. Co. Springs* 1.25
    21. Las Vegas* 1.25
    22. Fresno 1.25
    23. Ottawa 1.23
    24. St. Louis 1.22
    25. North Carolina* 1.18
    26. Richmond 1.06
    27. LAG II 1.05
    28. OKC 1.00
    29. RGVFC 0.76
    30. Seattle 2 0.69
    31. Atlanta 2 0.69
    32. Tulsa 0.67
    33. Toronto II 0.18

    MLS2 teams have moved up the overall table so that there are now 3 in the top 7 but 5 of them are still at or near the bottom. Unaffiliated teams continue to perform very well with none of them in the bottom 8 and and only 1 in the bottom 12. That seems to be the main takeaway. MLS2 teams are distributed across the table but unaffiliated teams clearly are doing the best on average.

    Not really the point of this exercise but it was very interesting to me to see that the point distribution is very even between the conferences. The top 16 almost exactly go West-East-West-East, every other one down the list. They really are two separate leagues but it is still pretty amazing to see that kind of balance.
     
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  7. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Time for the annual update.
    Please let me know if I missed anything.

    MLS-USL affiliation/owned history:

    Atlanta United: Charleston Battery (2016-17), Atlanta United 2 (2018-19)
    Chicago Fire: Saint Louis FC (2015-16), Tulsa Roughnecks (2017-19)
    Colorado Rapids: Charlotte Independence (2015-18), Colorado Springs Switchbacks (2019)
    Columbus Crew: Dayton Dutch Lions (2014), Austin Aztex (2015), Pittsburgh Riverhounds (2016-17), None (2018-19)
    DC United: Richmond Kickers (2013-18), Loudoun United (2019)
    FC Cincinnati: None (2019)
    FC Dallas: Arizona United (2015), OKC Energy (2016-18), North Texas FC USL-1 (2019)
    Houston Dynamo: Pittsburgh Riverhounds (2014), Charleston Battery (2015), Rio Grande Valley (2016-19)
    LA Galaxy: LA Galaxy II (2014-2019)
    Los Angeles FC: Orange County SC (2017-19)
    Minnesota United: None (2017), Saint Louis FC (2018-19)
    Montreal Impact: FC Montreal (2015-16), Ottawa Fury (2017-19)
    New England Revolution: Rochester Rhinos (2013-17), None (2018-19)
    NY City FC: Wilmington Hammerheads (2015-16), San Antonio FC (2017-2018)
    NY Red Bulls: NY Red Bulls II (2015-19)
    Orlando City: Louisville City (2015), Orlando City B (2016-17), None (2018), Orlando City B USL-1 (2019)
    Philadelphia Union: Harrisburg City Islanders (2013-15), Bethlehem Steel (2016-19)
    Portland Timbers: Sacramento Republic (2014), Portland Timbers 2 (2015-19)
    Real Salt Lake: Real Monarchs SLC (2015-19)
    San Jose Earthquakes: Sacramento Republic (2014-16), Reno 1868 (2017-18)
    Seattle Sounders: Seattle Sounders 2 (2015-19)
    Sporting Kansas City: Orlando City (21013-14), OKC Energy (2014-15), Swope Park Rangers (2016-19)
    Toronto FC: Wilmington Hammerheads (2014), Toronto FC II (2015-18), Toronto FC II USL-1 (2019)
    Vancouver Whitecaps: Charleston Battery (2014), Vancouver Whitecaps 2 (2015-17), Fresno FC (2018-19)

    I used the years that the teams played rather than from the date of the affiliation/ownership announcements. Obviously most of these will be ongoing but we can update this as it goes.
     
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  9. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    CORRECTION: It doesn't look to me like Minnesota United is affiliated with Saint Louis this year. They have an affiliation with Madison in USL-1.

    Time for the annual update.
    Please let me know if I missed anything.

    MLS-USL affiliation/owned history:

    Atlanta United: Charleston Battery (2016-17), Atlanta United 2 (2018-19)
    Chicago Fire: Saint Louis FC (2015-16), Tulsa Roughnecks (2017-19)
    Colorado Rapids: Charlotte Independence (2015-18), Colorado Springs Switchbacks (2019)
    Columbus Crew: Dayton Dutch Lions (2014), Austin Aztex (2015), Pittsburgh Riverhounds (2016-17), None (2018-19)
    DC United: Richmond Kickers (2013-18), Loudoun United (2019)
    FC Cincinnati: None (2019)
    FC Dallas: Arizona United (2015), OKC Energy (2016-18), North Texas FC USL-1 (2019)
    Houston Dynamo: Pittsburgh Riverhounds (2014), Charleston Battery (2015), Rio Grande Valley (2016-19)
    LA Galaxy: LA Galaxy II (2014-2019)
    Los Angeles FC: Orange County SC (2017-19)
    Minnesota United: None (2017), Saint Louis FC (2018), Forward Madison USL-1 (2019)
    Montreal Impact: FC Montreal (2015-16), Ottawa Fury (2017-19)
    New England Revolution: Rochester Rhinos (2013-17), None (2018-19)
    NY City FC: Wilmington Hammerheads (2015-16), San Antonio FC (2017-2018)
    NY Red Bulls: NY Red Bulls II (2015-19)
    Orlando City: Louisville City (2015), Orlando City B (2016-17), None (2018), Orlando City B USL-1 (2019)
    Philadelphia Union: Harrisburg City Islanders (2013-15), Bethlehem Steel (2016-19)
    Portland Timbers: Sacramento Republic (2014), Portland Timbers 2 (2015-19)
    Real Salt Lake: Real Monarchs SLC (2015-19)
    San Jose Earthquakes: Sacramento Republic (2014-16), Reno 1868 (2017-18)
    Seattle Sounders: Seattle Sounders 2 (2015-19)
    Sporting Kansas City: Orlando City (21013-14), OKC Energy (2014-15), Swope Park Rangers (2016-19)
    Toronto FC: Wilmington Hammerheads (2014), Toronto FC II (2015-18), Toronto FC II USL-1 (2019)
    Vancouver Whitecaps: Charleston Battery (2014), Vancouver Whitecaps 2 (2015-17), Fresno FC (2018-19)

    I used the years that the teams played rather than from the date of the affiliation/ownership announcements. Obviously most of these will be ongoing but we can update this as it goes.
     
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  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    With the Seattle Sounders 2 re-branding as Tacoma Defiance and the Tacoma Rainiers baseball team heavily involved in the operation of that team they seem to be moving closer to the hybrid category. Or at least the line is definitely blurring.

    For now I'll just change the team name and leave them in the "owned" category.
     
  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    UPDATE: The Sounders 2 have changed their name. I'm going to make that a new entry even though it is the same team.


    MLS-USL affiliation/owned history:

    Atlanta United: Charleston Battery (2016-17), Atlanta United 2 (2018-19)
    Chicago Fire: Saint Louis FC (2015-16), Tulsa Roughnecks (2017-19)
    Colorado Rapids: Charlotte Independence (2015-18), Colorado Springs Switchbacks (2019)
    Columbus Crew: Dayton Dutch Lions (2014), Austin Aztex (2015), Pittsburgh Riverhounds (2016-17), None (2018-19)
    DC United: Richmond Kickers (2013-18), Loudoun United (2019)
    FC Cincinnati: None (2019)
    FC Dallas: Arizona United (2015), OKC Energy (2016-18), North Texas FC USL-1 (2019)
    Houston Dynamo: Pittsburgh Riverhounds (2014), Charleston Battery (2015), Rio Grande Valley (2016-19)
    LA Galaxy: LA Galaxy II (2014-2019)
    Los Angeles FC: Orange County SC (2017-19)
    Minnesota United: None (2017), Saint Louis FC (2018), Forward Madison USL-1 (2019)
    Montreal Impact: FC Montreal (2015-16), Ottawa Fury (2017-19)
    New England Revolution: Rochester Rhinos (2013-17), None (2018-19)
    NY City FC: Wilmington Hammerheads (2015-16), San Antonio FC (2017-2018)
    NY Red Bulls: NY Red Bulls II (2015-19)
    Orlando City: Louisville City (2015), Orlando City B (2016-17), None (2018), Orlando City B USL-1 (2019)
    Philadelphia Union: Harrisburg City Islanders (2013-15), Bethlehem Steel (2016-19)
    Portland Timbers: Sacramento Republic (2014), Portland Timbers 2 (2015-19)
    Real Salt Lake: Real Monarchs SLC (2015-19)
    San Jose Earthquakes: Sacramento Republic (2014-16), Reno 1868 (2017-18)
    Seattle Sounders: Seattle Sounders 2 (2015-18), Tacoma Defiance (2019)
    Sporting Kansas City: Orlando City (21013-14), OKC Energy (2014-15), Swope Park Rangers (2016-19)
    Toronto FC: Wilmington Hammerheads (2014), Toronto FC II (2015-18), Toronto FC II USL-1 (2019)
    Vancouver Whitecaps: Charleston Battery (2014), Vancouver Whitecaps 2 (2015-17), Fresno FC (2018-19)

    I used the years that the teams played rather than from the date of the affiliation/ownership announcements. Obviously most of these will be ongoing but we can update this as it goes.
     

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