MLS Flavors of the Week, 2018 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When it comes to young players, whether one league plays more youth players than another is pretty much irrelevant. These types of trends are more about clubs than leagues, although as someone pointed out, the German league makes it really easy to sign and play young players.

    What is relevant is whether a club has the all three key ingredients to sustained successful development:

    1) Infrastructure
    2) Coaching
    3) Commitment

    Portland lacks all three. More than that, when players like Adi were hurt or out of form, the club looked at all other options other than Ebobisse, in spite of the fact he has both looked like a player worth developing and has actually produced in the minutes given to him.

    Atlanta has the infrastructure and good local youth coaching, but their head coach lacks the commitment to develop young Americans. He is not anti-development, but Tata has always tended to find a hand and stick to it / overplay it.

    In both cases, I think some criticism is fair. Moreso in Portland.
     
  2. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why can't Olsen incorporate him at centre back also? IMO it's the position he projects best at long-term because less mobility is required. By the same token I don't think EPB's ideal position was/is CB because the reverse is true about his athleticism. Yet MLS managers locked them both in at one position and if the integration was going to happen it was there or nowhere.

    Most MLS managers could show less rigidity in mind when it comes to how to utilize homegrown/domestic talent. I think the likes of NYRB, RSL, Philly, and Seattle to some extent have done the best in this regard. FCD hyped themselves but they've merely been sufficient in the department. If they develop and integrate Ferreira then they can get some praise.

    Many teams would argue they're still getting results. I'd come back and say look at how much you're spending (aside from an FCD i.e.), as well as what it's not building for the league because if they ever get anywhere near first tier worldwide it'll be because of a robust domestic base.

    The biggest villains are those who neither get results nor develop and integrate the domestic base. Minnesota, Colorado, San Jose, Chicago, etc.; these have been superfluous franchises in recent years.
     
  3. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    You can argue that Durkin should have gotten more minutes but saying he was "browned" is a strange analogy. Durkin has gotten over 1300 minutes to this point. That is the highest total for any 2000 in MLS, that is more than twice EPB's total his last year with SKC, and that is more than he got in his whole career with SKC.

    It's kind of hard to argue that Durkin didn't get enough minutes to progress or that he was stagnating on the bench. It is an argument that could be made for some in the league, but it is hardly appropriate for Durkin.
     
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  4. Sombrerito

    Sombrerito Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    May 6, 2018
    Roldan with 1 assist and 1 goal which was a pretty good one too. I think He’d do good in an advanced midfield role with the US. In a inverted triangle midfield
     
  5. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    The thing about mobility depends on how the role is played. Pique and Puyol were more mobile than Busquets and they had to, to be able to track balls in behind and win those duels when the guys in front of them couldn't stop the ball. Same with Maldini and Nesta vis-à-vis Pirlo. Beckerman has been less mobile than the CB's behind him.

    Durkin has not shown he can recover against fast attackers over distance. I think he'll close a little of that gap but fundamentally his solution needs to be to keep those guys in front of him or to prevent the pass into them.

    What separates a DM from a CB is strength, aerial ability, field vision, and ability to avoid pressure. Basically a CB needs a base line of strength and ability to win headers. At the youth levels Durkin looked like he had that but has been a little weak against men.

    What separates a DM is their ability to read 360 degrees of the field and play out of pressure no matter where it comes from. CB's have the game and the source of pressure in front of them. Durkin sees the passes and I have seen him turn smartly out of pressure, he is more aware and elusive than Bradley was, but his ability to read and snuff out plays and track runners is still developing. If he can only defend with the game in front of him then he won't make it at this spot.
     
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  6. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Roldan has good numbers when played in the a-mid spot of 4231.

    Last week saw a line of DC 5-0 Montreal. This week saw Seattle 4-1 Houston. Both games highlighted how teams that can play in front of opposition back lines can dismantle one dimensional countering squads.

    That kind of creativity is something that'll be needed in Concacaf. But instead of calling in a Lee Nguyen, we gotta go with Bradley when we already have 854 central midfielders.
     
  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Durkin has done well at both positions in DC's system.

    SKC didn't need a d-mid. EPB also has to work on his passing to be an effective full-time d-mid.
     
  8. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Durkin has done poorly at CB in more extended time. He is prone to ball-watching. He's not a CB.

    EPB probably isn't a full time D-mid. His ceiling is higher at CB. I don't know if he has to work on his passing as a defensive midfielder. Its pretty good for a CB, and he has very good composure and mobility, so it plays better than it likely is. He's not going to be a Busquets style #6, so if thats what you are talking about, I'd agree he needs to work on his passing. If its to be more of an all-around #6, I think his passing is good enough to play as a #6 now. I think he's more of a CB, anyway.
     
  9. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Roldan and Weston are very similar. It's important to have MLS doppelgangers for our better quality BL players (as we can see right now, for that matter). We could play a system that uses them in a 4321 because they both do well in wide areas on both sides of the ball but neither one is especially strong in distributing in the middle third.

    ------------------------weah
    ---------Wes(Roldan)----Pulisic
    -----Adams-------------x-----------Delgado(Parks)
     
  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Number of players who have played over 2500 minutes this season.

    Atl 7
    NYRB 2
    DC 1
    Union 4
    FCD 2
    SKC 5
    LAFC 3
    Portland 3
    Seattle 2
     
  11. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is that just league or does it include Cup games?
     
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  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
  13. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    I can see the comparison, but for me, Roldan is a different kind of player than Mckennie, for me the closest analog to McKennie is Delgado. They both excel in transitioning from defense to offense, with a quick positive and incisive one touch.
     
  14. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For those wanting Tata as national team coach that is a very troubling stat and has reared it's ugly head as Almiron has the same hamstring injury as he did last year and could certainly be from overuse. If you didn't like the TNT game because of a tired team it may be common if he was the coach to not rotate players at all.
     
  15. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great insight and it does influence my opinion about Tata for the Nats job.
     
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  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    #3916 IndividualEleven, Oct 11, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2018
    WS US-eligible Team of the Week 32
    player(player score)team score

    -------------------------------------Ebobisse(7.9)7.0
    --------------Picault(8.8)7.4-----Nguyen(7.3)7.2------Roldan(8.5)7.3
    -Bello(8.3)7.1----Feilhaber(8.2)7.2-----Bedoya(7.8)7.4
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rosenberry(9.2)7.4
    --------------------Long7.9)7.1------------Zimmerman(7.9)7.2
    ---------------------------------------Bush(8.8)7.5

    Player of the Week: Rosenberry Picault Bush
    U23 Player of the Week: Roldan Bello Muyl

    Man of the Match: Bush Gonzalez Nerwinski Roldan Rosenberry
    Goals: Picault(2) Agudelo Beasley Bruin Bedoya Bello Ebobisse Long Muyl Roldan Ulloa Wondolowski Zimmerman
    PK Goal: Altidore
    Assists: Rosenberry(2) Bwana Ebobisse Feilhaber Nguyen Parker Picault Roldan Sapong Zusi
    Clearance off the Line: Nerwinski Steres

    Honorable Mention:
    GK:
    Gonzalez(7.9)7.1 Bingham(7.8)6.8 Knighton(7.1)6.4
    LB: Lovitz(8.0)7.6 Beasley(7.2)6.3
    CB: (Hedges(7.6)7.1 Steres(7.5)6.8Trusty(7.5)7.4 Parker(7.4)7.1 Larentowicz(7.4)7.1 Opara(7.1)6.9 Marshall(7.0)7.3
    RB: Nerwinski(8.4)6.9 Cannon(7.0)7.1 Zusi(7.0)6.9
    CM: Ulloa(7.6)7.1 Kovar(7.4)7.2 Canouse(7.1)6.8
    RAM: Muyl(8.2)7.1 Sapong(7.1)7.4 RWF: Agudelo(7.3)6.2
    FW: Bruin(7.7)7.3 Amarikwa(7.1)7.5
     
  17. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Columbus seems to have fallen into a trance of ennuie. Maybe Triple-G is distracted that new gig he is supposedly 'front-runner' to land.

    Rosenberry has completely turned around his sophomore slump.

    Zimmerman: big Euro-league material? He reportedly has some interest and is in the last year of his contract.

    Nerwinski: an RB who would make a nice candidate for an RCB.

    Bwana: came off the bench to pick up the assist. nice return after the long injury layoff.

    Roldan: looks an excellent true RAM who excels in an attacking '3' that can pass the ball. Is probably a CM in the US's system, though.

    Lovitz: has had a January Camp-worthy season at LB. His age-profile--he is 27--is not optimal for a first-time National Teamer, though.

    Nguyen and Feilhaber: sigh. what could have been, had they been in last cycle's Hex.
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well Ben Sweat is also 27 so...
     
  19. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does anyone else get a sort of middle finger to both Klinsman and Arena from Bradley by picking up and using both of these players together on a good team? If only Bradley had been the Klinsman replacement instead of Arena lineups would have looked very different. I'd "almost" like him to be interviewed to see what his ideas for a lineup / roster are but alas no more retro coaches especially one who might be troubled as to how to use their son.
     
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  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Bob was the last US coach to purposely incorporate creativity into the lineup.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    If Supporters Shield is the first, second, and third priority then Tata is doing the right thing.

    Rosenberry had a stat line of 3 key passes, 96 touches, 5 tackles, and 2 assists. His assist up the middle to Picault is an example of what the Union need to do to continue improving: combine in front of the backline. In the Open Cup, Houston sat on the outside, rotated help there, and dared the Union to play in the middle-attacking third.

     
  22. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    I love Rosenberrys skill set, great passer, smart, good vision, long throw, good tackler, good positioning, but he has a huge liability in terms of his athleticism, his top end speed is below average. He would get torched outside at the international level. I think he may he better suited as a dmid just my two cents.
     
  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I hear ya. Imo, how the fullback fits within the tactical framework is the crucial factor. Do want an attacking fullback who plays on an island? Do you want a stay-at-home fullback? Do you want a creative, attacking fullback who is going to provided heavy cover.

    Bocanegra, for example, did a good job when deployed as a stay-at-home fullback.

    Castillo was ace at Tijuana, which tactical framework provided ample cover for him to get forward from a LB role. At Colorado, he was dominant at wingback, a tactically similar role in their system. But when switched to fullback in their disjointed system, he has been average. Likewise, he was horrible for the US which tasked him with playing LB on an island.

    Tbh, I think dual attacking fullbacks are a bit beyond the NT's abilities.
     
  24. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we need to switch to a 352 or 532 formation for this reason. We don’t have the greatest wingers, we don’t have the greatest 1:1 defenders, but we have good depth at center back and some potential for attacking fullbacks.
     
  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The best performance the team has put together in the post Dempsey and Jones era was the draw at Azteca. The formation used was a 343/351. Has it been used since? Nope. 352 should also be fine against most of Concacaf.

    I actually think a back-4 would be ok, but the dual-attacking fullbacks schtick has never really been a success for us. Just send one--Yedlin. The LB should stay.

    The model for a back-4 would be 15/16 Leicester City.
     

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