MLS Flavors of the Week, 2018 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't that the ONLY real chance that Valeri had all game? He was mostly invisible. Canouse played a great game.
     
  2. Sombrerito

    Sombrerito Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    May 6, 2018
    1029889089154297857 is not a valid tweet id
     
  3. Sombrerito

    Sombrerito Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    May 6, 2018
  4. USSoccerNova

    USSoccerNova Member+

    Sep 28, 2005
    Ramirez with a brace in the first 30 minutes. Had a goal called back as well.
     
  5. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    I'm watching this game and RSL is a cluster-F. Not sure what the plan is for them. Barry and Besler have been horrible, Ramirez looking like Zlatan against them. They are all over the place with Baird completely isolated. They have numbers back (back 5), but are trying to press high, and then have no shape to counter attack.

    Saucedo is comfortable with the ball under pressure. Kind of unique for an American.
     
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  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
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    #3205 ussoccer97531, Aug 15, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2018
    What does Carleton have to do with this discussion? You don't have a good argument, so you try to throw shade my way? I don't even understand the point of this. Try to insult one of our best young players because you know I'm a fan of his?

    Some of the players picked for the MLS-All Star game deserve to be there, but a lot also don't. Do you think Calvo deserves to be there? Parkhurst? Barco? Zahibo? Zusi? I could keep going. It does a bad job of representing which players deserve to be there, especially considering two of the three ways to get in are a fan vote (popularity contest) and commissioners pick (marketing pick). The only reasonable measure is the coach making a couple of picks, but even then, I don't think one coach is able to properly judge this as opposed to a panel.

    I don't really care how many Americans are in the All-Star game. Its nothing other than a marketing showcase. Does La Liga have an All-Star game? I'm only pointing out that its not a good measure of the best players, whether thats the best players in MLS or the best American players.
     
  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    On that play, Jozy started from the wing, which is where he needs lineup when with the NT. Well, I'm not really advocating Jozy continue with the NT: just sayin.
     
  8. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Jozy has become a real player with a great understanding of the game since his days in Europe which people erroneously use to gauge his present ability. Does he have weaknesses? You bet. I don't know any who don't. Does he make Toronto into a winner? Sure, they don't have a hold up 9 who does what Jozy can do. He has become a bit of a diva in his senescence but you know how crotchety old gramps gets.
     
  9. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Lee Nguyen - what a waste not to take him to Brazil 4 years ago. The fix was in for Brad Davis and his "left foot", the marketing tag of the day.
     
  10. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brad Davis went to a world cup over Landon Donovan, and someone thought that was okay. thanks for shivering my triggers again :(
     
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  11. Sombrerito

    Sombrerito Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    May 6, 2018
    Yea Jozy is not a good as a true CF at the highest level. Second striker he is better but still mediocre. There's actually a lot of CF options to try in the next friendlies that are not Jozy
     
  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Klinsmann thought his job was to discourage sabbaticals to Cambodia, smh.
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Lennon: showed excellent pace and understanding to track back and break up a number of attacks. He is listed at 5'10", so I don't know why someone posted he was small.

    Glad: gritty. was a bit overwhelmed at times. a bit lightweight for a CB.

    Feilhaber: brilliant and classy on the ball.

    Ramirez: looked energized. i was impressed and surprised by his pressing.

    LA pressed well. After a discombobulated first half, RSL switched formation to play a more effective second. But LA were limiting the counter opportunities. And RSL's half-court offense was horrible.
     
  14. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jurgen thought he should make it clear showing up with your teammates in the Hex is more important than picking berries in the Cambodian jungles.

    Most agree with that.
     
  15. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I don't. Donovan wouldn't have done his mates any good in a burned out condition. I wasn't even in favor of taking him because he looked out of shape to me but I was not in favor of Davis and I was in favor of Nguyen.
     
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  16. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm referring to right before Portland scored when Canouse was defending Blanco.
     
  17. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    I like Ramirez. I thought he should have been called up during his first season. When he was putting up numbers in Minnesota, when they had nothing. I hope he gets a chance because i think hes more of an orthodox striker than Jozy and has better subtle movement off the ball.
     
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  18. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a weird interpretation of his job! Cool!
     
  19. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Did not mean it as an insult. Just joking about how we discuss Carleton to death. The post was more to stimulate conversation than to make some brilliant point that couldn't be taken apart.

    It might not be the "best" measure, but it means something. The Atlanta thing skews things. But the lack of any American attackers, most Americans being old and on the back line, et. al. reflects quite a bit. Further, for the USMNT, especially on this board, anyone who scores a goal or makes a play is talked about as NT quality. Having some reference, even as flawed as the MLS ASG roster, as a step to the NT pool would be helpful.

    I haven't been that impressed with the WhoScored stuff, but I respect the attempt and there is probably room for improvement. Certainly objective; just not sure it is objective in the right way.

    Break into your MLS team, become one of the best in MLS at your position (not just the best American, but the best), then you are in the pool at this point, for me.

    P.S. On Zusi, many do talk about him as the best RB in MLS. I agree with you, that sort of tells me that no RB in MLS is worth the USMNT at this point as Zusi can't hack it at that level. So, my point that Linsdsay or Lennon or Cannon needs to beat Zusi onto the All-Star team; would be a way to measure progress.
     
  20. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Who played more in the Hex, Landon Donovan or Tim Chandler?
     
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  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Zusi takes dead balls and does well in the attack in SKC's system, which in covering for his lack of pace and quickness, sacrifices some in team defense. SKC have given up more goals this season, but they also have the best positive goal differential in the league

    That he is one of the league's best right backs says nothing about the overall quality at that position in the league.
     
  22. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    It seems like if you are going to be worried about personnel decisions, you'd focus on the unsuccessful world cup qualifying campaign than the world cup where we had a chance to beat in regulation and tie up in extra time a top 10 team in the round of 16.

    If one has a fixation on Klinsmann and has to complain about 2014, it should at least be about a player that has made a splash in the low level league. LN's 4G and 7A in 2013 doesnt really shout international quality. MLS didn't really think that much of Nguyen either. Vancouver didn't even want him on his sub-$50k salary.
     
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  23. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your post is pure revisionism. At the time the WC2014 initial 30 man Roster was announced I bet you could not find 0.001% of the US soccer community calling for MVLee to be included. He had a lackluster 2013 and had never been called to a single USMNT match. While Lee did have a career year in 2014 with 20 Gs it is important to remember that 11 of those goals came after Jones joined NE after WC2014.

    IIRC, Andrew Wenger was the player you were lambasting Klinsmann for not calling!
     
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  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Lee posted 11 goals and 15 assists last year, without Jones.
     
  25. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    We've been over this too many times. My post was just a compliment on how good he is playing for LAFC who were playing at the time.
     
  26. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's disappointing how often US soccer fans characterize Donovan's sabbatical as simply an opportunity to dick around vacation, as opposed to an attempt to deal with his depression.

    Small wonder so few players are willing to publicly acknowledge or discuss mental health challenges in the face of such callous disrespect.
     
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