MLS Flavors of the Week, 2017 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    The problem with Tyler Adams, for the forseeable future which includes Russia 2018, is that he is a bad midfielder who has shown some stuff at wing back but people here talk about him like a midfielder. His competition is Arriola and Yedlin on the right. On the left it is Fabian Johnson and Question Mark. Problem is he seems to be effective on the right and not so effective on the left, so far.

    Thus, talking about Adams is a way of sticking an obstacle in the way of getting our midfield sorted out. Adams sucked for the U20's at dmid then went on to suck for the Red Bulls at dmid. Picking him to back up Yedlin would be hazardous considering the level of people he would cover in Russia.

    The guys who are young and new and have shown high level effectiveness are

    EPB, Delgado - who have both shown effectiveness in a tournament setting (U20 WC)and at club in a competitive environment (Sporting and Toronto).

    McKennie will bring the most pedigreed training/match level of the bunch and the least tournament experience (I am excluding friendlies) .We must watch closely his development at Schalke and plan on bringing him with a restricted role that makes him the most effective, according to how things go at Schalke.

    Roldan - he already has call ups and I like him because he can bring scoring nous over Delgado but he doesn't have Delgado's high level of sophistication in reading the game and executing professionally in transition in the 6/8 area.

    Jonathan Gonzalez - he starts as a 6 for Monterrey but shows good flashes at a more free ranging 8 role when called upon. The rhinoceros 6 role restricts how much one can gauge his passing.

    My own preference right now on my planning chalkboard would be EPB for Bradley/Cameron, McKennie for Acosta, Delgado for Nagbe and J.Gonzalez /Roldan for McCarty.

    Some reasons: EPB can double as a cb, he was signed by ManCity, and, frankly, he'/s really tough to get around when he sets up around the 18. With EPB and Delgado teaming up to knock balls loose and transition and McKennie pouncing on the 50/50 balls, I'd hate to play against the USA midfield. I would bring Roldan for flexibility.

    Going full Ed Crocker here:

    ---------------------morris-----jozy/Wood---Pulisic

    ------mcKennie/Zardes---Bradley/Roldan-JGo---Delgado/Mccarty

    ---------ream*/Besler----Cameron/EPB---Gonzo---Yedlin/Arriola

    *Ream is in there as a way of saying gott I'm himmel, vas is happening to our wide left side?

    In conclusion, I like the usual suspects in the front and back but I would radically revamp midfield.

    Warshaw feeds US fans with a little "mental paradigm shift" for midfield on TTS here

    scroll to
    USA v Panama quick-take, hot-take with Bobby Warshaw
     
  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Veteran euro-based players don't need to be brought over for Nov friendlies.
     
  3. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the nov friendlies would be in europe...
     
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  4. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cupcake roster, 23 + 7 if we qualify:

    GK: Howard, Guzan, Hamid
    +1: Gonzalez
    Outsiders: Melia, Steffen, Rimando

    RB: Zusi, Adams
    +1: Rosenberry
    Outsiders: Polster

    LB: Morrow, Garza
    +1: Beasley
    Outsiders: Vincent

    CB: Besler, Hedges, Zimmerman, Glad
    +1: Opara
    Outsiders: Parker, Birnbaum

    MF: Bradley, Acosta, Roldan, McCarty
    +1: Feilhaber
    Outsiders: Canouse, Trapp, Delgado

    AT: Nagbe, Arriola, Rowe, Bedoya
    +1: Lletget
    Outsiders: Manneh, Finlay, Nguyen, Kljestan, Carleton

    FW: Altidore, Dempsey, Morris, Dwyer
    +1: Ramirez
    Outsiders: Sapong, Agudelo, Zardes, Mullins

    Starting XI:

    ----Altidore---Dwyer-----
    ----------Dempsey--------
    ----Nagbe---------Arriola--
    -------------Bradley----------
    Garza-----------------Adams
    --------Besler-----Glad------
    --------------Guzan-----------
     
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  5. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I surely hope Hamid isn't available.

    I'd go with Steffen over Gonzalez. I feel like Gonzalez has almost regressed this season.
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What purpose does bringing that many vets to Jan. camp and playing them serve? What do you really learn? We're way behind on that front, no need to put us behind the 8 ball even more.
     
  7. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand that people always want to look at new players, but next year is the World Cup. The January camp is the longest chance Arena will have to look at players before the 30 man roster in picked. He's going to want to use that chance to work with as many A-team guys as possible - build chemistry, work on tactics, see who fits best. Using the camp to just test fringe and young options doesn't make much sense, especially when historically not many new players get incorporated at this stage. Last cycle I think Yedlin was the only players who was first brought in for the pre-World Cup camp who made the squad.

    Furthermore, if we do want some young/new players to make the World Cup squad, it would behoove them to compete and play alongside the vets. After all those vets will make up a big chunk of our World Cup team; any new players will need to learn to play with them.

    (All of this is of course predicated on us qualifying. Should we fail tonight, then I would want to give the vets the camp off mostly look at new options to build towards the 2019 Gold Cup.)
     
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  8. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Preparing for the World Cup.

    At this point, someone is going to have to really standout to get an invite.

    Now, if we don't qualify, then that's a whole different story.
     
  9. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There were a few reports about Acosta as fatigue but more reliable ones said he had a groin issue. He did get subbed in his last game before the callup and looked like his old energetic self. Zimmerman hasn't been quite right since coming back from injury.
     
  10. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    That would be my preferred approach too (and I would imagine the one Arena takes).

    The other issue is that I don't think there are too many young guys in MLS currently outside the pool who have even the slimmest of chances of making the WC roster. Maybe Glad, since I think at least one backup CB slot is/should be open for competition, or maybe Polster to push Zusi as the RB backup? That's about it.

    I would bet if there are young guys currently not in the mix who make the roster, they would come from outside MLS (e.g., McKennie and J. Gonzalez).
     
  11. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I don't agree with the smug obladee-obladah attitude looking forward to Jan camp. Costa Rica and Mexico know what they are doing. Not USA. We are looking at having to win away in Trinidad to secure qualification and a draw to secure a playoff berth against Australia.

    In any case, it is very important to establish back ups at each position even if Arena has some idea of a starting xi because we know that last minute injuries are par for the course in WC's. Even if we know we are two deep at CF, e.g., i.e. Jozy and Wood, if one of them is unavailable no3. will punch his ticket. Who is it? Juan, Dom, Ramirez or somebody else? Or are we going to get all Arena '06 smug and make some inane comment about Wondolowski's great prowess.

    Let's see how Rowe is doing. Bring in Delgado. Bradley and Dax are both 30+. Durkin is pretty mature. Hard to believe he would be celebrating his 18th birthday at camp cupcake. Let's check on Zardes as a mid. We are shallow in that wide left side. How's Letget doing?

    It may also make a lot of sense to fashion a 3cb back line.

    I fully expect that at Arena's speech at his induction into the Hall of Fame, Bruce will exclaim:inlove: "USA's first World Cup trophy was won on the playing fields of Camp Cupcake"
     
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  12. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Repped for prescience.
     
  13. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    EPB scored a helluva goal yesterday. For Houston.
     
  14. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This thread gets a whole lot interesting and a whole lot more relevant rolling into the new camp cupcake, everything has changed and everything will change. Go young, go bold, maybe 5-6 players over 25.

    GK: Hamid, Steffen, Jesse Gonzalez

    let the games begin for the new netminder, and dont let it be a foregone conclusion immediately. Institute a healthy rotation for competition.

    Central defense: Zimmermann, Parker, Glad, Redding (Zavaleta?)

    Not as much meat and potatos here as Id like, but EPB is going overseas so i cant count him. luckily EPB and CCV will shore us up here because I honestly dont have much faith in Glad or Redding. We are good with Zim and Parker, but after that its sketch. Both those two should be contending for the 4th cb spot (behind EPB, CCV, and Miazga). Zimmermann not playing is obviously shady circumstances and not down to his playing, he will be there unless hes on the move this winter. Parker is gonna be our new Besler hopefully, our nothing flashy but does the business hes supposed to do guy. Ive got a soft spot for Zavaleta too i think he could truly bring us some possession out of the back and hes been a rock for TFC, very underrated player for me.

    Outside back: Nerwinski, Lima, Vincent, Hollingshead

    Glad both of these guys stepped up this season and not a moment too soon. Lima is great because he can swing right and left back easily. At left back, vincent looks like hes gotten better since his last go around, where he obviously wasnt ready. Also happy to see Hollingshead get back into dallas's starting rotation. Useful player with a third lung.

    Center mids: Roldan, Canouse, Acosta, Tyler Adams

    I like Roldan a ton, but man the idea of a Canouse-Adams midfield is kind of exciting. Canouse has taken to MLS like a fish to water at that D-mid spot where we are short.

    Outside mids: Rowe, Lletget, Ariolla, Zardes, Hairston

    Loving this group of guys, possibly my biggest "old guy" carryover group with Rowe, Lletget, and Zardes, but the first two i really dig what they can bring. Ariolla can and will improve. Hairston is a lesser developed Rowe but I think hes a good option to bring in and kick the tires on, and has utility to play outside back too. And yes, im omitting Bradley and Nagbe for reasons that should be obvious by now.

    Forwards: Morris, Dwyer (C), Sapong, Agudelo, Carleton

    Dwyer is my camp captain. full stop. He may not be the most talented in the group, but he is the leader of the group and has the mental toughness to take on that important task. I think forward could be actually kind of fun. I know Carleton isnt getting playing time but he is a truly special exception to the rule that you bring in early and get him integrated quickly.



    starting 11:

    -------------------------Gonzalez------------------------
    --------------Zimm-------------Parker-------------------
    Nerwinski-------------------------------------------Lima

    ----------------------------Canouse------------------------
    Ariolla---------------------Adams-------------------Rowe

    ------------------Morris-----------Dwyer-------------------
     
  15. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Guzan. Pretty clear he should've played in Trinidad. Some big saves against NYRB
     
  16. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Hamid's not even on the bench once again.
     
  17. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would he be? He is running out his contract and DC needs to figure out what is next.

    On another note, Alex Bono had some wild saves in TFC's shutout.
     
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  18. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    How many examples of this can you think of when a team who has a player's contract running out (or a player they know is going to transfer) and they just abandon using them at all?

    Seems a rather shitty thing to do, you don't think sitting on the sidelines the last two months of the season hurts Hamid's game?

    And maybe they don't care at all, but there could be further implications, whether its later in Hamid's career returning to MLS or other players being alerted to what Hamid dealt with from DC.
     
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  19. UnitedBorn

    UnitedBorn Member+

    Dec 7, 2015
    301
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don’t let common sense get in the way of a good argument.

    Bill will start the RFK finale and take his craft elsewhere. DC will take the $700k they offered him and go get a striker.

    Win for everyone
     
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  20. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Has it been stated he'll start next week?
     
  21. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    #3321 Excellency, Oct 15, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2017


    -----------------------------morris---------dwyer-----

    ---adams-------zardes--------canouse---Delgado-----arriola
    ----(rowe)-------(Carleton)----(trapp)----(Roldan)----(lletget, lennon)

    -----------------------glad-----Zimmerman------parker

    ------------------------------------gk: ?
     
  22. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's pretty uncommon in MLS, but it's not unusual in Europe. Among YAs, Emerson Hyndman at Fulham comes to mind.
     
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  23. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Quietly having a very nice season. Crew fans are wondering as well from what I've seen why he's not been called up recently.

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  24. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Flip, I think you summed up every BS post of the past 4 years in one post.

    New m.o. for the next cycle? Turn over a new leaf?

    I say Sunil needs to go. Agree?
     
  25. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously now that the US has not qualified, we need to look at more younger players. We basically have a free year to experiment. Then it's time to build for the 2019 Gold Cup, 2020 Copa (should that happen) and World Cup qualifying. While I fear the pace of experimentation likely won't be as fast as either you or I would like, I'm optimistic that we'll have a bunch of younger players step up to phase out a lot of our disappointing vets by the next time we play a meaningful game.

    As for Gulati, I don't really care. I never was a Klinsmann fan, and obviously Arena didn't work out, but there's more to being the head of the USSF than picking a coach for the USMNT. And I think despite the disappointing results, there's been a lot of progress in US soccer. Definitely a lot to complain about too though, so I could see it being time for a change.
     
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