MLS Flavors of the Week, 2016 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ussoccer97531, Jan 13, 2016.

  1. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seattle has sent Martins to China? That is a lot of pressure on Morris.
     
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  2. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    vote of confidence of morris too. Its was USMNT/MLS fans want to see, Morris is gonna be getting a lot of PT.
     
  3. 22SteveD

    22SteveD Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually Pablo is playing him deeper, either DM or Pivot take your pick. Several stories out on it now too.
     
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  4. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Idk if it's as much a vote of confidence as it is smart business. Martins is a 31 year old often injured ST. His value wasn't getting any better. They spjust brought in 2 strikers. It makes too much sense business wise to recoup his original transfer fee.
     
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  5. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    It is smart business. I'm not so sure that it's smart soccer, though. He was their best and most influential player (including Honey Badger). They haven't been any good without him.
     
  6. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're definitely gambling a little. But they signed a younger DP striker and brought in Morris. That's too many players up top and China made an offer they couldn't pass up. It doesn't seem like they were offering him up either. Sounds like they got a call and it was just too much to pass up. It also frees up another DP spot for them as they currently have more than 3. I think they'll be ok.
     
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  7. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dempsey was their highest rated player last year.

    I think they'd be in great shape, and it would allow them to upgrade a position of greater need, but I don't know if Morris fits their more possession-oriented style right now. Morris can get lost in the tight spaces. Maybe they'll still be more than fine with Dempsey and Valdez starting, Morris off the bench.

    I actually really like what Earnie has done this offseason, and it appears they're not done. They're still actively looking to add to their striker core. I think there's mutual interest between them and Bjorn Maars. They somehow got Ilsinho from Shakhtar to trial with them. Picked up Alberg, Pontius, a few promising high draft picks. Bring back Barnetta, Edu, Nogueira, Marquez, Blake, Fabinho, Sapong, etc. I think they have more talent than most teams. Just depends how quickly it develops and Curtin utilizes it. I don't think he's a good coach. In the first friendly he employed a 4-2-3-1 that was a total mismatch to the personnel.

    Definitely can't argue with Chicago. Hauptman is a slumlord.

    Probably not with Colorado either, but they made a great move with the addition of Gashi, and have done a lot of little things which may add up like drop Powers deeper, bring in Pappa at his best position, and add Pfeffer. I also have really liked Kevin Doyle. Have solid defensive personnel too. Wouldn't shock me if they were decent.

    I'd add that:

    RSL is oldish at a lot of key spot and under-talented
    Houston is oldish, slow, and not skilled enough to make up for it
    DCU looks to be in some trouble w/out Hamid and Kitchen
     
  8. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    That would be according to rating system that I would have little trust in. For as long as he's been there, Martins has been the single biggest key to their success, and Alonso the other (until last year), with Dempsey following after those two.
     
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  9. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's proven reliable enough for starters. No rating is gospel.

    They are both strikers, and from the more classical statistical standpoint to measure their performance:

    Dempsey had a combined 20 goals + assists (excluding a pk) in 2,042 minutes. That's 1 per 102 minutes.

    Martins had 19 in 2,105. That's 1 per 111 minutes.

    Dempsey and Martins were out and they couldn't win, then Martins came back first, and they turned things around somewhat, before a couple games later Dempsey returned. The turnaround also coincided with adding Valdez and Torres. We didn't see how they'd fare with Dempsey, Valdez, Torres and no Martins. That record without just Martins cited skewed perception. They seemed to play it up a lot on ESPN. You yourself cited how they fared without him as an indicator. Beware of the correlation without looking at all the variables involved.
     
  10. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    #110 Marko72, Feb 15, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2016
    That was but one period without Martins. If you followed what had happened in Seattle over the last few years, losing Martins was generally the difference between success and failure. Dempsey, less so. It passes the eye test, as well. Dempsey didn't create as much nor open the space nearly as much as Martins did, though he scored as prolifically, and both could score all different kinds of goals.

    In any case, Seattle's success has had an awful lot to do with the fact that generally Sigi could rely on sitting back behind to rather conservative banks of four and allow the two guys up front to do one hell of a lot of damage almost on their own, and the guy who really made that work was Martins.

    Morris will be unlikely to be able to fill out those shoes soon. Valdez is a different sort and getting older. Seattle will either have to get a lot more creative in the midfield than they have been, or else they'll need to search the world market for a Martins replacement.

    (The only guys in the league that were clearly better than Martins last year were Sebastian Giovinco and healthy, in-form Drogba. Over the time that he's been here, you could make less clear-cut arguments in favor of Robbie Keane and Thierry Henry, but that's it. His impact has been huge. Top 5 player in the league, certainly. And he was the younger of the pairing.)
     
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  11. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the sample with Dempsey and without Martins, since Dempsey has been there, has been quite small (10 or less?). And they were heavily that first half season when players are known to struggle coming in midseason. Those results were mixed. This year it was a split vs. Vancouver and draw vs. SKC. That doesn't tell us anything.

    They were both about as important as the other. Martins the better movement, Dempsey the better passer. Indeed, they blended well.

    They could still sit deeper to allow Morris to have some space to be played into. If they are going to have Dempsey and Valdez up top, they need to play to them more precisely in tighter spaces. So that's where I think you spend the DP. Not on yet another fw. Already had a surplus there. Should have plenty of cash from China and with their ability to generate revenue at CenturyLink to find an attacking mid. Fun to imagine the possibilities for them.
     
  12. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In terms of impact, Martins has been far more important than Dempsey. Seattle's scheme is based on Martins' movement, which is why they break down when he is not there. Sigi is betting Morris can be a cheaper version of Martins. Great off the ball movement that opens up lanes for people behind him. I hope Morris comes through.
     
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  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Martins had the greater impact of the two because Seattle's midfield was pretty sub-par. He provided the engine that would have been provided by a good midfield which can be had if Seattle were to add a major piece there.
     
  14. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their sub par midfield is worse this coming season
     
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  15. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Seattle employs a scheme???
     
  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Making massive upgrades to the midfield is more important than retaining Martin who could only paper over so many cracks. At some point, the cracks need to be mended.
     
  17. gtstock

    gtstock Member

    Jun 6, 2014
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Martins was by far the best in MLS over the last few years at hold-up play. It wasn't really even close when compared to other MLS forwards. I haven't seen as much hold-up play from Morris, but he does have good size to at least attempt similar things. If he could ever reach that level of hold-up play, that'll be a HUGE asset for the national team.

    Agreed.
     
  18. Soccergodlss

    Soccergodlss Member+

    Jun 21, 2004
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Kaiserslautern
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Dynamo have taken in a lot of younger guys this season. Beasley and Clark are the only guys I would consider as getting old at this point but were probably 2 of their best players last year. They are still rebuilding and refitting, but I don't think they'd be classified as old anymore.
     
  19. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    more 2017 flavor stuff, but hey, league news is fun for all. We knew Atlanta was in for 2017, but it looks like their expansion buddies will be Minnesota for the 2017 season. LA2 presumably to get another year to get ready.

    https://www.minnpost.com/glean/2016/02/minnesota-soccer-team-play-mls-2017-under-new-name

    one year in a temporary stadium; one of the following

    "in September that the University of Minnesota’s TCF Bank Stadium and the Minnesota Twins’ Target Field were the best options and Northern Pitch claimed last week that United was leaning toward the former."
     
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  20. gtstock

    gtstock Member

    Jun 6, 2014
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Watching the sounders / galaxy preseason game. The sounders look really sharp, I think Joevin Jones will be a great pickup for them. Morris looked good, although he seriously needs to at least attempt to be a bit more 2-footed.

    The galaxy look disorganized and lazy. Their midfield just keeps getting overrun. Stevie G gets some blame, but Dos Santos has not been particularly great for the Galaxy since signing with them either, he looks a little bit out of shape to me as well. I hope Lletget gets full starting time this season.

    Dempsey looked sharp as well - showed a lot of usual creativity and was a big catalyst behind the Galaxy's success.
     
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  21. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    This is why Dempsey and Altidore together didn't work. Drunk and lamppost good/ 2 lampposts or 2 drunks bad.
     
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  22. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    2 attackers and 9 defenders
     
  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Looks like Seattle are employing the old Fulham scheme in the way dempsey is being utilized
     
  24. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Roldan was brutal when I saw him last year, but he looked like a different player in this game, destroying and being tidy also. Learning a lot from Alonso. Apparently not a one game transformation because he's been impressing all camp. One to watch at #6 position going forward when we aren't very solidified at it.
     
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  25. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yup, still a young kid, plenty of time for him to make a good impression with them
     

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