MLS Flavors of the week, 2013 style

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by RalleeMonkey, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really? Its clearly a better overall league. Different style perhaps and there are plenty of players who could compete in both but Liga MX absolutely is a better league. Ask anyone anywhere in the world outside of the US (and many in the US), particularly in South America where Mexican teams play in Copa Libertadores.
     
  2. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Villareal is a legit national team prospect in the next few years. I wonder if this will affect our chances with him. I assume Mexico might pursue him too.
     
  3. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Liga MX is more top heavy than MLS. MLS has better depth. Thats just my opinion, you can have yours.
     
  4. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    So, Villarreal, Michael Farfan and Rafael Baca REPORTEDLY all to Cruz Azul on one-year loans with an option to buy on all except Villarreal... Any thoughts?
     
  5. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    Mid-table clubs from LigaMX have made runs into the KO stages of Copa Libertadores, do you think mid-table clubs from MLS would too against South America's best?

    LigaMX has lots of parity. Tijuana won the 2012 Apertura and finished 10th this Apertura. DaMarcus Beasley started 8 out of 17 games for 13th place Puebla.

    There's been 8 different champions in the last 8 Apertura/Clausura seasons, that points to the depth of LigaMX (although I wish they'd do away with Apertura/Clausura).
     
  6. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have to agree here. The best teams in Liga MX are far far far deeper than MLS teams. Watching them continually crush us in CCL reminds me of that every year. Watching them compete in Copa Libertadores also reminds me how good the league is. I suppose its possible bottom third of MLS is as good as the bottom third of Liga MX. I don't watch enough of their bad teams to know for sure, but I wouldn't want to bet on Toronto, Chivas, and DC United (of last year) against any Liga MX team... not with my own money.
    Perhaps you could argue there is more parity in MLS... I'm not sure. I just don't see how in any rational sense someone (outside of a handful or MLS homers which I suppose makes them inherently irrational since they are homers) would see a move to Liga MX as a lateral move.
     
  7. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They might pursue him, but considering where he is now, he has a long way to go before he's good enough to make the full senior team.


    Even if you discount Dempsey for the next cycle, he's still miles behind Altidore and Johannasson, and it's questionable whether he's even better than Jack McBean.
     
  8. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    We won't ever see it, so its a moot point.
     
  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    1. another set of eyeballs looking at US talent. Take for example Herc Gomez' development down there after leaving MLS.

    2. helps establish another career pathway besides the MLS-->Europe one. Different players thrive in differing environs.
     
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  10. INKRO

    INKRO Member+

    Jul 28, 2011
    Mitebecool
     
  11. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    I think we are gonna see Baca suiting up for El Tri next cycle
     
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  12. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    No more silly of a point that trying to say MLS teams are deeper than Liga MX teams with absolutely no supporting evidence.
     
  13. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Where is the evidence that Liga MX is deeper than MLS? There is evidence that it is more top heavy(CCL), but there is no concrete evidence that it is deeper. There are only very weak examples that don't prove the point very well.
     
  14. manuel84

    manuel84 Member+

    Oct 16, 2012
    Tatatatamaulipas
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    we have a lot promising midfielders for the next cycle, will be hard for him.

    many mexican fans we have not seen to play Baca and Farfan, but if cruz azul brought them they should have something special.
     
  15. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Well this:

    LigaMX has more parity than almost every league not named MLS. Their teams routinely play reserves against ours in CCL and they have a better record. They spend 3x as much on wages. As our HG players continue to develop MLS is getting deeper but we aren't close to making up the huge pay differences up and down the roster.
     
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  16. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    How do you know that MLS clubs wouldn't place well in the Copa Libertadores? Its just speculation until they actually compete in it.
     
  17. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    How do know they would? Also, it's basically LigaMX's Europa League clubs in Libertadores as they're forced by CONCACAF to send the best finishers to the CCL.

    Chivas Guadalajara and Chivas USA finished basically the same position in the respective leagues, if they played 10 times, Chivas USA could maybe get 2 or 3 draws.
     
  18. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Why are you passing this off as a fact? Its an opinion. Just because Chivas Guadalajara is the mother club doesn't mean that they are necessarily better. They have got real problems.
     
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  19. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway

    We have a barometer in the CCL....MLS teams do fine against some of the central american clubs but vs a Mexico club it's usually a complete bunker-fest.
     
  20. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    CCL is for the top few clubs in each league. It does not show off the depth in either league.
     
  21. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know they are in a downslope, but they aren't that bad.
     
  22. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Here is the UEFA coefficient translated into CONCACAF:
    http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/...gue-coefficient.1187575/page-19#post-28924713

    Yes, it's true that Monterrey is way ahead of everyone, and Santos and Cruz Azul are way ahead of the rest of the pack, but there are 11 different Mexican clubs with a decent coefficient, including all of the top 5 and 7 of the top 9.
     
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  23. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    Siem Reap, Cambodia
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some interesting selections in the SBI most improved 11 list (many of whom we have noted in this thread)

    http://www.soccerbyives.net/2013/12/2013-improved-best.html

    2013 SBI MLS Most Improved Best XI

    Rodney Wallace————Mike Magee————Lamar Neagle

    ——————-Kelyn Rowe———Diego Fagundez————-

    ——————————Uri Rosell——————————–

    Chris Klute———————————————Kofi Sarkodie

    ——————-Shane O’Neill———Chris Schuler————-

    ———————————Zac MacMath————————-

    HONORABLE MENTION

    Joe Bendik; Jeb Brovsky, Ike Opara, Andrew Jean-Baptiste, Leo Gonzalez, Raymon Gaddis; Russell Teibert, Dilly Duka, Nathan Sturgis, Jeremy Hall; Dom Dwyer, Soony Saad.
     
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  24. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    lots of good players who i wouldnt mind bringing in for the final edition of this cycles camp strudel.
     
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  25. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Disagree on Schuler, he's always been good.
     

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