PBP: MLS 2019 Season Week 21 Game Thread [R]

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by jaykoz3, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that red card is one that literally could go either way. On the one hand, I think it’s harsh because the whistle hadn’t even blown yet. Hard to give somebody a red card for kicking the ball when the play is still active.

    But on the other hand, Chapman was standing right there, and obviously thought that there was clear intent to strike the player with the ball. And if in his judgment, if that’s violent conduct, then it’s violent conduct.

    Personally, I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
     
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  2. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    Right now I feel like we have no idea who is going to be playing well come play-off time, with the exception of LAFC.
     
  3. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely true. There is no possibility for a misinterpretation of fact on this one. It’s a straight judgment call. And the guy standing right there is going to have a better idea on that judgment then the guy upstairs.
     
  4. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Apparently polenta picked up a red after the whistle ???
     
  5. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    that crazed fan running at Diego was cute
     
  6. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Camera hog.
     
  7. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You stole my take. I have been, for 2 or 3 weeks, thinking of calling a San Jose v New England MLS Cup.
     
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  8. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True. Oftentimes, teams peak a bit too soon prior to the playoffs. For as dominant as LAFC have been this year, they can be had. MLS has had 10 different champions in the last 12 years? It's also been a while since the Supporters Shield winner have also hoisted MLS Cup.
     
  9. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Toronto actually did the last thing only 2 years ago, bit it isnt a regular thing.
     
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  10. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well Portland just but a real beat down on the Gals. Ibra could have easily been chucked wit ha second yellow, but didn't.
     
  11. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're peaking too early. The ditches are littered with teams that were hotter than fire in July, and were nowhere to be found when October rolled around.
     
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  12. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was Chapman afraid of Zlatan?
     
  13. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He booked him for dissent, so I’m guessing no.

    The official timeline from MLS has Asprilla getting a red card after the final whistle as well as Polenta.
     
  14. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you watch the game? Zlatan abused Chapman for about a minute after a foul was called against, Chapman didn't do anything. It was later in the game after not getting a call he abused him again, not to after about a minute of abuse did he card him and Zlatan didn't stop. Announcers even said that if he doesn't stop he's going to get thrown out.

    If this was any other player he would have been red card after the first time abusing Chapman, if not the first time then the second time.
     
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  15. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh, no, it wouldn’t have.

    Believe me, I WISH you were right. I WISH more refs would pull the trigger on dissent, even for players on yellows. But they usually don’t.
     
  16. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's worth noting that Chapman is a former professional player so he's probably better than most at reading the players. Note that Holden on color commentary also vehemently agreed with the card.
     
  17. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Afraid? No.

    He was creating space to try to keep the player from doing anything particularly stupid and force a silly red card. I don't think the tactic worked particularly well in his favor tonight because the visual dissent continued, and Zlatan repeatedly closed down that space.
     
  18. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This dissent was over the top, he got in Chapman's face three times during the game and only got a yellow. If this was anybody else they probably would have been red carded after the first occasion.
     
  19. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You’re dreaming.

    There are very few referees on the planet at the professional level that go to the red card on the first occasion of dissent. Even when it IS way over the top.
     
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  20. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    Part of what “helped” Zlatan not get tossed was that he was wearing the Cpt Armband.. as such he gets a pass to go talk to the official a bit more for all the instances.. though it seemed JDS was the one holding Zlatan back
     
  21. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean sort of like when a goalkeeper gets a yellow card for time-wasting, and then after that he can waste all the time in the world, because refs would almost never give him a second one?
     
  22. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like I said it should have been at least a yellow, then if not on the second occasion, but the the third occasion he should have gotten his second yellow. He didn't because it was Zlatan.
     
  23. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, the stupid all-star break means no game(s) today? Boo, boo!
     
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  24. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many players have you seen get that sort of second yellow? A couple this season. How many have continued to act that way even on a yellow? Many more.
     
  25. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes he was the captain, but the way he was acting it shouldn't have mattered. Chapman was calling JDS over to tell him stop or he'll do something about it. Which he didn't at least on the first and third occasions, he did at least on the second occasion.
     

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