MLS 2019 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by firefan2001, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1 firefan2001, Jan 6, 2019
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    Atlanta will have at least one more full capacity game
    Portland's capacity will increase 4k
    Minnesota moves into a 19,400 stadium, they averaged 23k in 2018
    Columbus get rid of Precourt so their attendance will increase
    Cincinnati joins the league 27-30k
     
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  2. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cannot resist poking the Fire (their/there).

    DC with a full year of Rooney/Audi and no 5k home dates should tick up a tad.

    LA with a full year if Ibra should tick up a tad from 24k.

    No Villa at Yankee Stadium & no Adams in NJ could mean a slight downtick in the Big Apple.

    Tad worried about Orlando.

    Colorado trying to score some goals will be fun.

    Overall, I will say slightly up, with Cincy, Portland, and Columbus being the main drivers and offsetting Minny's decline of 4k.
     
  3. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Should be worried about Philly/Chester too....could be a lot of sub 16/15K games.
     
  4. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Philly looked good last year, especially at the end. Made the POs. I thought things would be looking up. What am I missing?
     
  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fans are restless. A large, and vocal section of the fan base is upset that Curtin is back, the owners don't spend enough on players (DP name players), and the rest of the teams in the area are better (Eagles, Phillies on an uptick, Sixers)
     
  7. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Sixers will implode. You have the cancer called Jimmy Butler on your roster.
     
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  8. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Philly fans are always......restless.

    Phillies did NOT make the POs, I do not kniw how that is better. Under .500.

    76ers are on implosion watch. They lost their depth to get Butler (RoCo & Saric), who will either leave or cause things to explode. Ilyasova & Belinelli have not been replaced. And Simmons cannot shoot. And then there is Fultz. Redick is 34.

    How are the Flyers doing?

    Eagles I will give you. But Foles > Wentz IMHO, and he is leaving.
     
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  9. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Union are the only Philly team I root for, as I am not originally from here. I'm just telling you how the Union are viewed in the Marketplace.

    Despite how poorly the Flyers have performed, their attendance is always among the best in the league. Their fans are loyal.

    The Phillies are on an uptick, and the NL East is a toss up at this juncture. They have as good a chance as any of the teams not named the Marlins to win that division.

    This town is an Eagles town first, second, & third.

    They won't implode. Butler wants a max deal............he won't get that if he destroys the Sixers. Plus......it's not looking like he was the entire problem in T-Wolves land............
     
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  10. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's not enough bandwidth to explain the issues of The Most Dysfunctional Team in North America (pat. pend.)...but the Wolves are better without Butler than with him.
     
  11. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lot more midweek games then in year's past. Would imagine that will have a negative impact on averages around the league.
     
  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    It will have an effect but there aren't as many extra midweek (Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday) games as I would have thought.

    2018: 50 midweek games out of 391 total, 12.8%
    2019: 69 midweek games out of 408 total, 17%

    That is an extra 19 midweek games which is less than 1 per week. Having an even number of teams helps this year since last year there were a lot of 11 or fewer game weekends.

    Hmm, I included the 4th of July midweek games both years. There are 4 more of those this year than there were in 2018. If you take those out the difference drops to 15 games.
     
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  13. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully in the future, as more warm (Miami, Austin) or warmish (Nashville) teams are added, the increase in poorly attended mid-week games gets offset by less poorly attended cold weather games early in the season.

    Also, with Austin slated for 2021, I would expect #28 to be announced soon, possibly before March. And #29 & #30 to follow by the end of the year.
     
  14. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    You wanna another bet?
    They will not announce 29 and 30 by the end of the year. Possibly 28, but not the other two. I am not saying they won't expand past 28...i am saying no way they announce 29 and 30 this calendar year.
     
  15. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    I'd agree with this. #28 is likely to be announced. STL would be my guess. At most, the BoG meeting at MLS Cup might be the time they vote to expand past 28. But they won't be announcing teams past 28 this year.
     
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  16. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #28 by the end of June. At the latest.

    #29 could drag on into January of 2020, but with the Cup moved up, I think it gets done before that. Also depends on who it is. STL + SAC gets done in 2019. Someone else (PHX) may take longer.

    No bet.
     
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  17. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    So in other words you are retracting your previous statement that #30 will be named by end of 2019
     
  18. 007Spartan

    007Spartan Member+

    Mar 1, 2006
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would Phoenix take longer?
     
  19. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't be surprised if Sacramento is added fairly soon as the 28th team given they have finally got their last piece of the puzzle, a very deep pocketed owner, to go along with a substantial fan base, good demographics and a stadium plan in place. The Republic would also benefit due to a rivalry with San Jose in Northern California a little over 2 hours away.
     
  20. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    9040 for the US vs Panama in Glendale, AZ
     
  21. SabreKhan

    SabreKhan Member+

    Jun 25, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How does this compare with the usual January camp game? 9k seems pretty sad.
     
  22. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    There have been some in the 10k range, but this one was also in an NFL stadium, so it was extra sad.
     
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  23. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Mar 10, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Heads up, but today's The Athletic article on Providence Park expansion (behind paywall so I'm paraphrasing) specifically cites the capacity will go from 21,444 (I think they mean 21,144) to more than 25,000.
     
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  24. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Found some numbers for recent USA January games.

    2000 - USA - Iran Los Angeles 50,181
    2001 - USA - China Oakland 8.903
    2003 - USA - Canada Miami 6,549
    2004 - USA - Denmark Los Angeles 10,461 (First of the modern January camps)
    2006 - USA - Canada San Diego 6,077 and Los Angeles USA - Norway 16,366
    2007 - USA - Denmark Los Angeles 10,048
    2008 - USA - Sweden Los Angeles 14,878
    2009 - USA - Sweden Los Angeles 9,918
    2010 - USA - Honduras Los Angeles 18,626
    2011 - USA - Chile Los Angeles 18,580
    2012 - USA - Venezuela Phoenix (Same stadium as this year) 22,403
    2013 - USA - Canada Houston 11,737
    2014 - USA - South Korea Los Angeles 27,000 (sellout)
    2016 - USA - Iceland Los Angeles 8,803
    2017 - USA - Serbia San Diego 20,079
    2018 - USA - Bosnia Los Angeles 11,161


    Thus, I am not sure I understand what the attendance panic this year is all about. It's the lowest January crowd since the ancient days of... 2016.
     
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  25. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    All recent friendlies against Panama:
    2015 Los Angeles 20,271
    That's it. Perhaps US Soccer expected ~20k based on the other January game played at the stadium, and the other recent friendly against Panama.
     

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