Missing ESM Team of the Month

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by schwuppe, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    Just going through this and saw this is actually the April team twice.

    The May 2009 side was:

    Valdes (3)
    Srna (4)
    Pique (4)
    Yaya Toure (3)
    Xavi (8)
    Iniesta (7)
    Jadson (3)
    Messi (8)
    Forlan (6)
    Dzeko (5)
    Grafite (7)

    I will correct the original post to reflect that as well.
     
  2. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    #27 comme, Jun 2, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2016
    Also I think the ones for February and March 2009 are wrong as well. I think they are from 2010. I will check back tonight.

    Edit:

    So the February 2009 team was:

    Van der Sar (4)
    Maicon (4)
    Pepe (4)
    Vidic (4)
    Evra (3)
    Lampard (4)
    Cambiasso (4)
    Ribery (3)
    Messi (3)
    Raul (7)
    Mutu (3)

    March 2009

    Cesar (4)
    Alves (5)
    Terry (2)
    Carragher (3)
    Xavi (4)
    Gerrard (8)
    Messi (6)
    Eto'o (3)
    Grafite (3)
    Huntelaar (5)
    Torres (3)
     
  3. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    I think this one is actually October 2010, not 2009.

    I will try and track down the right one later.

    I'm just trying to redo your list @schwuppe so I have the number of appearances that everybody has ever made in the ESM. It's incredibly time consuming.
     
  4. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    So October 2009 was actually:

    Buffon (2)
    Maicon (3)
    Nesta (5)
    Terry (5)
    A Cole (5)
    Fabregas (6)
    Lampard (7)
    Navas (5)
    Suarez (7)
    Torres (4)
    Pato (4)
     
  5. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    May 2016

    Jan Oblak (7 votes)

    Philipp Lahm (4 votes)

    Diego Godin (6 votes)

    Sergio Ramos (12 votes)

    Juanfran (4 votes)

    Casemiro (6 votes)

    Luka Modric (5 votes)

    Coke (9 votes)

    Zlatan Ibrahimovic (7 votes)

    Gonzalo Higuain (7 votes)

    Luis Suarez (9 votes)



    Team of the season 2015-6



    Keylor Navas (2)

    Marcelo (3)

    Gerard Pique (3)

    Diego Godin (4)

    Filipe Luis (3)

    N’Golo Kante (3)

    Paul Pogba (3)

    Angel Di Maria (3)

    Lionel Messi (2)

    Luis Suarez (6)

    Gonzalo Higuain (3)
     
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  6. comme

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    September 2016

    Jan Oblak (Atletico Madrid, 7 votes)
    Sergi Roberto (Barcelona, 5 votes)
    Diego Godin (Atletico Madrid, 5 votes)
    Stefan Savic (Atletico Madrid, 5 votes)
    Filipe Luis (Atletico Madrid, 5 votes)
    Kevin De Bruyne (Manchester City, 8 votes)
    Son Heung-min (Tottenham, 5 votes)
    Joshua Kimmich (Bayern Munich, 4 votes)
    Arkadiusz Milik (Napoli, 5 votes)
    Antoine Griezmann (Atletico Madrid), 5 votes)
    Sergio Aguero (Manchester City, 4 votes)

    October 2016

    Gianluigi Donnarumma (Milan, 5 votes))
    Alex Sandro (Juventus, 5 votes)
    Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal, 4 votes)
    Leonaro Bonucci (Juventus, 3 votes)
    Ricardo Pereira (Nice, 3 votes)
    Eden Hazard (Chelsea, 6 votes)
    Yannick Ferreira Carrasco (Atletico, 7 votes)
    N’Golo Kante (Chelsea, 5 votes)
    Edin Dzeko (Roma, 7 votes)
    Anthony Modeste (Koln, 7 votes)
    Lionel Messi (Barcelona, 7 votes)
     
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  7. comme

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    November 2016

    Thibaut Courtois (Chelsea, 8 votes)
    Djibril Sidibe (Monaco, 4 votes)
    Raphael Varane (Real Madrid, 4 votes)
    David Luiz (Chelsea, 4 votes)
    Marcelo (Real Madrid, 4 votes)
    Emil Forsberg (RB Leipzig, 8 votes)
    Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool, 6 votes)
    Suso (Milan, 4 votes)
    Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid, 10 votes)
    Edinson Cavani (PSG, 6 votes))
    Edin Dzeko (Roma, 5 votes)
     
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  8. comme

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    December 2016

    Thibaut Courtois (Chelsea, 10 votes)
    Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid, 11 votes)
    Cesar Azpilicueta (Chelsea 5 votes)
    Daniele Rugani (Juventus, 4 votes)
    Raphael Varane (Real Madrid, 4 votes)
    N’Golo Kante (Chelsea, 5 votes)
    Thiago Alcantara (Bayern, 4 votes)
    Adam Lallana (Liverpool, 4 votes)
    Dries Mertens (Napoli, 9 votes)
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Manchester Utd, 8 votes)
    Diego Costa (Chelsea, 6 votes)

    Read more at http://www.worldsoccer.com/features/esm-team-month-results-december-2016-394108#ZZleoUWyXZVuI12H.99
     
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  9. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    January 2017

    ESM XI
    1 Thibaut Courtois (Chelsea, 6 votes)
    2 David Luiz (Chelsea, 6 votes)
    3 Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid, 5 votes)
    4 Marcos Alonso (Chelsea, 4 votes)
    5 Dele Alli (Tottenham, 5 votes)
    6 Bernardo Silva (Monaco, 5 votes)
    7 Steven N’Zonzi (Sevilla, 4 votes)
    8 N’Golo Kante (Chelsea, 4 votes)
    9 Gonzalo Higuain (Juventus, 8 votes)
    10 Lionel Messi (Barcelona, 7 votes)
    11 Edinson Cavani (PSG, 4 votes)


    Read more at http://www.worldsoccer.com/esm-gold...sults-january-2017-395131#zwS5fkiihXuQ9fJo.99
    February 2017

    ESM XI
    Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus, 4 votes)
    David Luiz (Chelsea, 6 votes)
    Philipp Lahm (Bayern Munich, 5 votes)
    Alex Sandro (Juventus, 4 votes)
    Benjamin Mendy (Monaco, 4 votes)
    Thiago Alcantara (Bayern, 6 votes)
    Radja Nainggolan (Roma, 5 votes)
    8 Angel Di Maria (PSG, 5 votes)
    9 Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Manchester United, 10 votes)
    10 Edinson Cavani (Paris Saint-Germain, 5 votes)
    11 Paulo Dybala (Juventus, 5 votes)


    Read more at http://www.worldsoccer.com/esm-gold...ults-february-2017-396334#X6tcwVMAoBPGA4EH.99
     
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  10. comme

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    March 2017

    ESM ELEVEN MARCH 2017

    Kasper Schmeichel (Leicester City, 4 votes)

    Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid, 11 votes)

    Mats Hummels (Bayern Munich, 5 votes)

    Gerard Pique (Barcelona, 4 votes)

    Thiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich, 9 votes)

    N’Golo Kante (Chelsea, 6 votes)

    Casemiro (Real Madrid, 3 votes)

    Eden Hazard (Chelsea, 3 votes)

    Neymar (Barcelona, 11 votes)

    Kylian Mbappe (Monaco, 10 votes)

    Robert Lewandowski (Bayern Munich, 4 votes)


    Read more at http://www.worldsoccer.com/esm-golden-shoe/esm11/396776-396776#QKQGHhDAtWBPgzKS.99
     
  11. comme

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    April 2017

    Buffon (9 votes)
    Carvajal (5 votes)
    Marcelo (12 votes)
    Chiellini (5 votes)
    Bonucci (8 votes)
    Eriksen (5 votes)
    Isco (4 votes)
    Dybala (6 votes)
    Mbappe (13 votes)
    Messi (11 votes)
    Cristiano Ronaldo (10 votes)
     
  12. comme

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    #37 comme, Jun 16, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2017
    May 2017

    Buffon (7 votes)
    Dani Alves (10 votes)
    Marcelo (9 votes)
    Bonucci (7 votes)
    Ramos (10 votes)
    Modric (7 votes)
    Casemiro (5 votes)
    Kroos (5 votes)
    Messi (8 votes)
    Cristiano Ronaldo (12 votes)
    Kane (6 votes)
     
  13. comme

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    Team of the season 2016-7

    Buffon (3 appearances) - 25 overall selections
    Ramos (4 appearances) - 39 overall selections
    David Luiz (3 appearances) - 22 overall selections
    Bonucci (3 appearances) - 23 overall selections
    Marcelo (3 appearances) - 34 overall selections
    Kante (4 appearances) - 25 overall selections
    Thiago Alcantara (3 appearances) - 24 overall selections
    Messi (4 appearances) - 46 overall selections
    Dybala (2 appearances) - 15 overall selections
    Cristiano Ronaldo (3 appearances) 35 overall selections
    Cavani (3 appearances) - 22 overall selections

    NB - Courtois also received 3 appearances but only received 24 overall selections and Casemiro also received two selections but only got 11 overall selections.

    Highest player selections not to feature: Courtois 24, Alves 19, Hazard 17, Mbappe 26, Ibrahimovic 20
     
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  14. PDG1978

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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Good work comme.

    Trying to understand why Dybala makes it instead of Hazard (maybe the former is classed as midfielder like Messi too presumably, and the latter as forward even though seemingly not in the months he made it in the XI - as an aside surprising he has less selections than Ibrahimovic for example). Also it might seem to make sense to include Alves and not Luiz, but I suppose they just pick out the most frequently included defenders, not bothering so much about making it a balanced back 4 position wise according to current roles.
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

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    Casemiro is also close to getting in (at a position that tends to be overlooked) while Modric trails behind.
     
  16. PDG1978

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    Yeah, maybe that is a Hazard vs Ibra sort of case too, but I didn't watch very much of La Liga to be honest (Casimiro was playing pretty well occasionally when I did).

    With Hazard vs Dybala (and possibly Alves vs Luiz but like I say I think I know what happened there - Luiz did have the more selections of course) it was more a case of wondering why the data had slotted one player in rather than another, moreso than about the merits, although probably I would find it surprising if Hazard wasn't thought of in best XI territory for 16/17, despite not having CL games to play and impress in.
     
  17. comme

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    Can't say really because bizarrely Dybala is actually classified as a forward and Hazard as a midfielder in their total tallies.
     
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  18. comme

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    Modric actually got 14 overall votes compared with Casemiro's 13 but he only made one team of the month.

    I know it says above 11 votes for Casemiro and 13 for Dybala but if you look at their totals in the list is weirdly 13 vs 15.

    Some bits don't add up.
     
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  19. PDG1978

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    Ah, ok, thanks, maybe it's the opposite of what I assumed and they wanted a 4-3-3 for the final selection (although putting Messi as a midfielder in that formation might be doubtful?).

    Not to want to divert the thread or clog it too much anyway, but just thought it was worth asking about.
     
  20. arriaga

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    Jun 27, 2017
    I'm thinking of making a more accurate list of ESM teams of the year. That is, I'd like to take into account EVERY vote given to every player by every magazine. As you know, sometimes a player reaches a team of the month with just two votes and such, so taking into account all the votes gives a clearer view of on more players.

    However, there are a couple of hitches. Firstly, has anyone done a project like this before? Don't wanna bother if it's readily available. :) Also, I'm missing a couple of issues from the early 00s, so does anyone have access to scans of the ESM-page or the actual list (of every vote and not just the winners).

    Lastly, the 90s issues didn't yet offer information on each vote, so I don't suppose anyone knows if they're available anywhere? I'm thinking of mailing World Soccer, but not sure if they can be arsed with something like this.
     
  21. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    So I don't think anyone has done this before (in fact pretty certain they haven't).

    What issues are you missing? What publication do you have?

    Very doubtful they are available anywhere. World Soccer may have it in some archives somewhere as they are the organisers of this but unclear if they would have them/be bothered to help.
     
  22. arriaga

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    Jun 27, 2017
    Missing the following:
    2001: Sep and Dec
    2002: Jan through April, and the summer issue.
    2003: July

    Anybody happen to have extra issues?

    Yeah, I figure the guys responding to e-mails at WS will be some summer interns who won't even know what I'm talking about, but I'll ask them about the 90s stuff nonetheless.
     
  23. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    Of what magazine? World Soccer? I have all those issues.

    I think the best person to ask at World Soccer would probably be someone called Jamie Rainbow (if you can't get Gavin Hamilton the editor), I think he updates the ESM stuff online but they are very hit and miss about even updating their own website.
     
  24. arriaga

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    Jun 27, 2017
    World Soccer, yeah. Can you get scans of the ESM-votes in those issues?
     
  25. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    Yes, I'll have a look and post them up.
     

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