Michael Orozco at Tijuana

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  1. JayDelight729

    JayDelight729 Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Section 101
    Article from Univision says Michael Orozco is no longer with San Luis of the Mexican League and will join the Philadelphia Union to be more in the eye of Bob Bradley to make the World Cup.
     
  2. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    I dont know enough about the situation, but I would say the USMNT midfield and defense got worse after Nowak left.

    He clearly likes Michael's ability choosing him for both the olympics and now at the Union.

    I also think that once Michael learned the 'left back' position it directly lead to our better performance against the dutch. I would rather see him at left back than Bornstein as he is a natural defender not a converted striker/midfielder.

    It is a shame that red cards mean one thing for some players on teh USMNT and something completely different for others. He got dropped from Bradley's team directly after receiving that red card against Nigeria. Bob Bradley's son is working on a red card for every major tournament, but seems to never miss a beat.

    Given our desperate need for defensive help in the middle and on the left, it boggles the mind that he was jettisoned so impatiently from the team.
     
  3. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    TO
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Lots of assumptions...
     
  4. Craig P

    Craig P BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 26, 1999
    Houston, TX
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Bullshit. He got called in to the senior team the next time he was available after getting the red card, much to the consternation of parts of BigSoccer.
     
  5. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids & Celtic FC
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    A great move for Philly who's assembling quite a team. They are gonna be young but they have a nice group of core vets. I would include Michael as a "vet" given his number of games in Mexico. For whatever reason Michael was not in favor towards the end of the Mexican season. San Luis as a whole were dreadful in the Clausura and I think changed coaches (not 100% sure) so they may have contributed to Michael being on the bench. Nonetheless, if this article is indeed true, Michael is walking into a good situation in Philly. He's going to play whether it be as a LB or CB.
     
  6. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    how the heck do Phili have the allocation for that after picking up Califf??
     
  7. FUAEG

    FUAEG Member+

    Oct 18, 2005
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    From 2009 MLS PLAYER RULES AND REGULATIONS SUMMARY

    (L) RETURNING U.S. NATIONAL TEAM POOL PLAYERS
    In the event a U.S. National Team pool player playing abroad returns to the U.S. and there is interest from multiple MLS teams, preference will be given first to a team prepared to use an allocation. If there is more than one team prepared to use an allocation on a particular player, the current season's allocation rankings as determined by the MLS Competition Committee would be used. In the event no team is willing to use an allocation, the player will be assigned via waivers.

    Orozco is currently listed as part of the US National Team Pool so this applies to him.
     
  8. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    this is the sort of player San Jose need to use an allocation on :mad::(
     
  9. FUAEG

    FUAEG Member+

    Oct 18, 2005
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    He'd look great in Black'n'Blue but we're in the second spot.
     
  10. Kermmy803

    Kermmy803 Member

    Jul 10, 2002
    Lewisville, Tx.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    ... and didn't they just trade away their allocation spot to DCU so that DCU could bring in Perkins?

    Sounds like MLS is making it up as they go again. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Because they didn't use an allocation to pick up Califf. Danny's rights were owned the the San Jose/Houston franchise, so they traded for those rights.

    This is a nice move by both the Union and Orozco.
     
  12. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Wrong. This is sooooo wrong it's mindboggling

    You do realize Orozco played for the USA after the Olympics?

    You do realize that Orozco played like crap last fall and was seeing very little playing time for San Luis

    Orozco's drop in the national team's depth chart is as a result of his play not a red card. It's the same reason why you no longer saw Marvell Wynne, Demarcus Beasley, Sasha Kljestan, Eddie Johnson, Freddy Adu, or Heath Pearce in important World Cup Qualifiers last fall. None of them proved they were playing at that level.
     
  13. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    thats what i thought!!! someone wanna clear this up for me im pretty burned :mad:
     
  14. Toolhead

    Toolhead Member

    Jul 6, 2003
    Williamsport, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    For future reference:

    MLS rules aren't written in stone, but on an etch-a-sketch. Remember this at all times, it'll save you a bunch of headaches.
     
  15. unceen

    unceen New Member

    Mar 5, 2007
    El Paso, Texas
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Nice acquisition for Philly, hopefully Michaels form picks up.
     
  16. JayDelight729

    JayDelight729 Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Section 101
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Correct, but they traded that top allocation spot to DC, so DC could land Troy Perkins.

    Philly are now 7th (IIRC) in the allocation order.
     
  17. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    hell yeah its a nice pickup, a nice pickup that should be San Jose's :mad:

    (im going off the assumption Frank Yallop is not stupid enough to pass on him)
     
  18. JayDelight729

    JayDelight729 Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Section 101
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Wouldn't it be New Yorks pick up? As they are at the top of the allocation order.
     
  19. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    LOL aw i forgot about New York.....misplaced anger i suppose. no way New York would pass him up. He should be a new york player though if they dont pass him though, that is clear. and they need him desperately hed go a great ways to shoring up their D
     
  20. JayDelight729

    JayDelight729 Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Section 101
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Would be a good spot for Orozco who would walk into the starting lineup on Day 1.
     
  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    I've never really understood some of these allocation rules.

    It's been reported that Dallas have been after Lee Nguyen, but they need to move up in the allocation order to take him. Lee is no more of a US international than Michael is.

    I guess it's conceivable that the other clubs passed on him in the allocation process. Maybe there were wink-wink shake-shake kind of agreements.
     
  22. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    I havent seen him on the backline for ages despite him starting in a better league than MLS. I can recall Spector getting the call and he is almost always riding the bench while WestHam has no defensive injuries.

    Instead he puts big, slow, bumbling defenders back there.

    Michael is not perfect, but his skill on the ball, confidence and passing are superior to ANY central defender we have.

    I dont know if he is physical enough yet or experienced enough yet, but is definitely worthy of more playing time.
     
  23. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    Orozco got a run in the semi-final round at T&T. He was pretty poor, and I think this is why he's out of the picture for now.

    If he can have a solid start to the season in MLS he'll certainly get another look.
     
  24. Craig P

    Craig P BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 26, 1999
    Houston, TX
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    And there may be a legit criticism there (although I recall Orozco went a while where there was an issue with either his form or getting starts at San Luis), but I think you were off base ascribing the decision to Orozco's red card. The fact that he was called into the full national team after the Olympics gives the lie to that line of thinking.
     
  25. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Country:
    United States
    Re: Michael Orozco Back to MLS (Philadelphia)

    We're capping players, not leagues.

    And even if we were, wouldn't this thread title suggest something?

    I want all Nats and potential Nats to thrive, so I hope Orozco succeeds in MLS (or MFL, if he ends up staying). But he hasn't been playing well or much lately. It's not enough to play a different style; a player has to play that style well to deserve call-ups. Especially a central defender. Especially a young central defender. Right now, that doesn't seem to the case.
     

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