MD2: Roma vs Atalanta (August 27th, 2018)

Discussion in 'AS Roma' started by Big Bad Wolf, Aug 23, 2018.

  1. Shen-O

    Shen-O Member+

    United States
    Jul 26, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still better than Inter
     
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  2. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    You could be right, I'll have to rewatch it. I caught most of the game at a café.

    I'm not a proponent of abandoning the 4-3-3, however. Mixing it up worked today, but if teams prepare game-plans exclusively for a 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2 , we'll still be stifled occasionally.

    Cristante and Pellegrini had shit games, that doesn't mean it will continue to be the case. They're 22 and 23 years old.

    We're gunna figure it out , and the kids will get better with more game time. Just gotta stay patient , and possibly not start them together if we can prevent it.

    Nzonzi was really good, exactly as advertised. There was only one occasion where I thought he could've moved the ball , yet carried it into traffic on the break. Other than that, he was positionally sound and made clean decisions.
     
  3. DCUroma

    DCUroma Member+

    Jul 20, 2009
    Suck it Sensi
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Edf injured his hand punching the bench in frustration on how shit we played

    Hope he punched them at half time too
     
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  4. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly, their GK was not good. Pastore's back-heel was savable as was Florenzi's goal.
     
  5. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
    Club:
    AS Roma
    His keeping was not the problem. He's solid. I dont think its unfair to say that his kicking needs some work. That's I'll though, I'm expecting that to greatly improve as the season goes forward.
     
  6. Forzaabruzzo

    Forzaabruzzo Member+

    Apr 19, 2006
    We were down 3-1 and managed to tie it up in the 2nd half against a good team that has had our number for the past 4 years...but Yes, "weaker squad" and so forth...
     
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  7. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No doubt his kicking isn't great but I'm a bit old school. First and foremost your job is to keep the ball out of the net; that just doesn't mean making reflex saves, it means commanding your box. If you can get a GK that can do the above and is good with the ball at his feet, all the better.

    Personally, I would never sacrifice 1 iota of a GK's ability to be a GK to get one that's better with his feet.
     
  8. chaponga

    chaponga Member

    Roma
    Jul 11, 2011
    Arizona
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    so i'm only 21 minutes and the first two atalanta goals in and while the team looks like hot garbage it gives me a feeling that Roma just didn't take this game seriously until it was far too late. EDF included with his slow change in tactics... maybe I'm being too nice but it looks like they just didn't think it would be a match and got their A$$ handed to them until they had no choice but to respond... even so... that is the weak minded nonsense that we aren't supposed to let happen anymore... disappointing
     
  9. whill4

    whill4 Moderator
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    Sep 11, 2011
    Returning Video Tapes
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    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #209 whill4, Aug 27, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2018
    Wow, just started the game and I didn't realize Atalanta rested so many of their starters for this. This is pretty close to their b-team, lol. That's actually really pathetic on our part. And also stupid on Serie A for scheduling this on a Monday when they have crucial EL game on Thursday.
     
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  10. Goduerza

    Goduerza Member+

    Jun 13, 2008
    Bulgaria
    Club:
    AS Roma
    The first half was hard to understand. I think the team simply did not respond well to the early goal. We utterly underestimated them and their front three destroyed us, especially Zapata. You can see that clearly in the second goal. Zapata steals the ball from behind Manolas and moments later, Fazio simply watches the ball go past him. You are a central defender, slide in and stop that pass for fukc sake.

    EDF was furious for a reason. You simply can't relax like that. But maybe his midfield choices didn't help the defence either. And while I'm on that, can anyone explain to me what are Lorenzo Pellegrini's strengths? That question has been puzzling me since last season. Sure, you can tell me he's still young, but young players still show some promise to make themselves worth keeping . I don't know what Pellegrini has shown. I think I would have been feeling a lot better if Kevin had been on the team sheet instead of him.
     
  11. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
    They had a game last Thursday. Gonna have to play the game at some point.
     
  12. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    And some people think Strootman is not good enough to start for Roma, lol.
    I was surprised to see that people here thought Kluivert did better than Under. Kluivert was invisible all game.
     
  13. Shen-O

    Shen-O Member+

    United States
    Jul 26, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Strootman would’ve been more defensively aware than Pellegrini.....









    ...and it would’ve made no difference, he’d get bypassed as well.
     
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  14. Rellum

    Rellum Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Brisbane
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I am a bit shocked that many hadn't already worked out as soon as we signed N'Zonzi that a midfield three of Pastore,DDR and N,Zonzi is the way to go, with Pastore as a trequestra.

    Having Pastore play as a mezzala or on the left wing is the sort of decision that makes me doubt EDF as a manager. It shows a lack of understanding of the strengths of the players he has and how to setup to get the best out of them. At least in the end he worked it out.

    Those three have to be first choice and only one be rested at a time.
     
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  15. Rellum

    Rellum Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Brisbane
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I am strongly of the belief that you can't drop points against the bottom 15 teams if you want to win the scudetto. So that is 2 dropped already, assuming Atalanta don't finish top 5, which is a real chance of happening.
     
  16. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
    Atalanta aren’t Bologna. They can compete with anyone and give them a run for our money. We haven’t beat them at home since 2014. I thought maybe with their weakened lineup we could take advantage and recoup points we’d likely drop. If they played their full team we probably lose this game.
     
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  17. whill4

    whill4 Moderator
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    Sep 11, 2011
    Returning Video Tapes
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    New York City FC
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    United States
    Seeing Florenzi's goal reminded me of how wasted he's been as a right back. If they just kept him in midfield and worked on his positioning, he could have become so much more. Maybe something similar to Marchisio.

    He probably still could do a better job than what Pellegrini and Cristante did today.
     
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  18. DOctore13

    DOctore13 Member

    Jul 19, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    To be fair it seemed that Roma avoided the left side of the pitch the whole match. Be it Kolarov waving his arms around because there were acres of space between he and any opponent only for Olsen and Fazio to completely ignore him; our MF and CFs thinking every attack needed to be ran through Under - when they weren’t too busy taking one touch too many and losing the ball; even with Pastore on the LW I only remember him being involved by making runs into the box and center of the pitch.
     
  19. Big Bad Wolf

    Big Bad Wolf Member+

    Dec 17, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    DDR could be feeling it after that game. He busted a gut to keep us in it and help us to a point.
     
  20. Vini Vidi Vici

    Italy
    May 21, 2013
    Tivoli / Fiesole / Anywhere Italy w turq water
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Pellgrini has no strengths. He's a jack of all trades, and does all his jobs to something like a 6.8 degree standard. Neither the player to win nor lose games - but you'd win more if a better player was in his place. Anyone solid defensively - who has unique traits going forward. A Rafinha type. Pell is just 'there', being carried - probably because of the effort in bringing him to the club - it'd be embarrassing, awkward, potentially unsettling to not play him.
     
  21. Vini Vidi Vici

    Italy
    May 21, 2013
    Tivoli / Fiesole / Anywhere Italy w turq water
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The best results & entertainment this season if EDF persists with 4-3-3 would be to abandon Europe and let DDR play as many games as possible alongside N'Zonzi and probably Pastore *shudders*. A midfield needs character, mentality, high football IQ. In Pellegrini all those lack - and in Cristante they do too. How then is the team expected to keep a consistent tempo for anything longer than 4 minutes? Better to just take them out and turn the midfield into a wall. Even so, that means the midfield is all 30+ year olds next season - which makes the question beg - who the hell replaces these great players? It won't be Cristante, Pellegrini and Coric taking this team on deep runs of dominance. So much money wasted.
     
  22. DCUroma

    DCUroma Member+

    Jul 20, 2009
    Suck it Sensi
    Club:
    AS Roma
    The lineup that started the second half is the future of this team
     
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  23. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me just say I think many people are being unfair to Cristante and Pellegrini. We have been talking for almost 2 years about our MF problems and essentially EDF created another MF not dissimilar to DDR/Strootman/Radja.

    EDF did not put them in a position to be successful and that was the problem. We have tried countless CM in the 4-3-3 and for the most part it's not been successful. Play to their strengths and I have no doubt they'll be successful.
     
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  24. Goduerza

    Goduerza Member+

    Jun 13, 2008
    Bulgaria
    Club:
    AS Roma
    I loved what I saw from Nzonzi. We are much better than what we saw in the first half yesterday. EDF needs to make sure we don't relax and underestimate opponents so heavily ever again.
     
  25. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I'm not sure about this.

    Last year's squad doesn't come back from 3-1 down to get a draw there. You can argue last year's squad doesn't go down 3-1 to Atalanta's B-team either, but Atalanta has always given us problems.

    That Di Francesco was able to bring ob Nzonzi, Kluivert, and Shick to change the game speaks to the strength and depth of this squad. The chances that Pastore was creating would not have been created by anyone who we lost from last year.
     
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