PBP: Matchday 2: B04.Spain - South Africa

Discussion in 'Women's World Cup' started by Gilmoy, Jun 8, 2019.

  1. KAPIJXM

    KAPIJXM Member+

    Nov 18, 2011
    Illa de Arousa,Spain
    Club:
    Celta de Vigo
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I am spanish, but I feel sorry for South African girls, they did a good effort but so much bad luck.
     
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  2. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Game changer.
    Poor call
     
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  3. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    I have no idea how good or bad South Africa is but with only 2 shots in the game, effort only goes so far.
     
  4. Gilmoy

    Gilmoy Member+

    Jun 14, 2005
    Pullman, Washington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    89' 3-1 Spain ping ball around at circle left. Torrecilla long 30m ground pass up centerline picks out L.García cutting right-to-center through arc right, with 2m lateral separation from Matlou(?). Dlamini slides out past spot, L.García steps left around her and Dlamini undercuts Matlou tumbling. L.García trots past both to 6-top 1/4 left, taps in with net empty.
     
  5. KAPIJXM

    KAPIJXM Member+

    Nov 18, 2011
    Illa de Arousa,Spain
    Club:
    Celta de Vigo
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    2 or 10 shots doesn't mind, the game was clearly a draw. SA create the same danger with 2 shots that Spain with 20.
     
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  6. mpr2477

    mpr2477 Member

    Jun 30, 2016
    Club:
    Vancouver MLS
    Man, that was sad. The refs/var really f’d over S Africa! I really wanted to see them win :(
     
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  7. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    3-1 final. If true what everyone says and we have won on bad calls, I don't like this at all. Our coach needs to change our approach, doesn't have to be huge but needs to change to be a little more direct at times and use the width better (judging from what I read at Marca and from the times I've seen us play before). With this current coach, I doubt the changes will happen. I see us maybe a draw versus China and a loss to Germany.
     
  8. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed, why I'm mixed.

    Ultimately, what I'm thinking is that it was a yellow card-worthy act (upon review), which was in the penalty area, thus the PK. One of those tough calls, and it ultimately changed the game by taking off a player. Indirectly, it led to the Spain's third, and their almost-4th. And seemed to deflate SA entirely.
     
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  9. Gilmoy

    Gilmoy Member+

    Jun 14, 2005
    Pullman, Washington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FT 3-1.

    Group B:
    3+2 (+3-1) Spain
    3+1 (+1-0) Germany
    0-1 (=0-1) China
    0-2 (+1-3) South Africa
     
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  10. KAPIJXM

    KAPIJXM Member+

    Nov 18, 2011
    Illa de Arousa,Spain
    Club:
    Celta de Vigo
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    It would be enough to pass even as one os the best thirds I guess.
     
  11. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Feel really bad for South Africa. They had this game up until that first PK. They lost all momentum after that.
     
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  12. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Ironically that might be better, matchup wise, than finishing 2nd.
     
  13. KAPIJXM

    KAPIJXM Member+

    Nov 18, 2011
    Illa de Arousa,Spain
    Club:
    Celta de Vigo
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    That's the "wise" 6 group thing of FIFA...
     
  14. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The SA women really had Spain on the ropes. That missed opportunity at about min 55 by SA might have gotten them the win.
     
  15. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Crossing needs to improve. Same issue Germany had v. China. If Spain can get those crosses in well, they might have a chance v. China. And Germany has the same issue v. SA.
     
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  16. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yes, and the South African coach was literally petrified after that (I came back in time to watch the last minutes of the game, but I missed Spain's third goal; @Gilmoy's description is not enough for me to understand if at least this one was any good, after two PKs).

    We really needed the VAR to get this? Beautiful goals disallowed for microscopic off-sides and so bad calls that any referee could make them alone, without the help of the technology. In this case, the human wasn't even going to make the mistake, if it wasn't for the VAR guy.

    Bottom line: if in the end it's a man who has to make the final call, mistakes will happen, with or without VAR, so is it really worth? And I don't think technology is advanced enough to assign this duty to an algorithm or an Artificial Intelligence (nor would I want to have that: next step is putting robots on the pitch to play instead of humans and call it a day).
     
  17. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Are we potent in the air? Crossing won't really matter if we have a poor aerial game. Unless you are more thinking of how Man City plays, get to the end line, cut inside and pass hard across the goal.
     
  18. nick p

    nick p Member+

    Jul 11, 2009
    Baltimore Maryland
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kudos to Banyana Banyana for putting up a good fight
     
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  19. KAPIJXM

    KAPIJXM Member+

    Nov 18, 2011
    Illa de Arousa,Spain
    Club:
    Celta de Vigo
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    It was not an spectacular goal.

    This today's offside was not microscopic at all, it has the entire doby offisde.
    About the PK, Could you imagine that a former spanish referee in a radio said it's a clear PK because he thinks the South African player, after she deflected the ball, she has the intention to hurt the rival because she knows where the leg was. I don't know if consider this funny or idiot.

    Well, I think VAR is a good idea, it has to improve, that's true. But most of the times is more useful than not I guess.
     
  20. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Var is only as good as the humans that use it
     
  21. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    not sure how you consider us the favored team, this was our first ever world cup win...even if it wasn't the cleanest win
     
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  22. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I haven't seen Man City play, so I can't comment on that. But there were multiple times where Spain had a player or two in the box in great position to tap the ball in, either in the air or on the ground, and Spain continued to his cross consistently too long.
    As a former defender, I would do all sorts of chippy stuff (never what was done), but it looked like it was professional-level chippy. Vilakazi made no attempt to withdraw her studs-up cleat before the contact. Compare that to the handball by Van Wyk, where she did try and withdraw her arms (too late) and it was a consistent call. If you look at the play, Vilakazi never bent her knee in preparation for the contact. And, IMO, it is one of those catch 22s. It was not really all that worthy of a PK since it was not caught in real time. But on review, it was card worthy due to the violent nature of the act, and unfortunately it was in the penalty area.
     
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  23. Semblance17

    Semblance17 Member+

    United States
    Apr 27, 2013
    Lighthouse Point, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    ^That's how.
     
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  24. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    We all know what rankings mean. Maybe it's more accurate in the women's game then.
     
  25. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think is being too simplistic. SA will have face lower seeded teams in route to qualification, so the ranking will be lower by default relative to Spain. That said, I do agree that Spain was the clear the favorite.
     
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