Match #63 - BRA : NED - HAIMOUDI (ALG)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jul 10, 2014.

  1. colman1860

    colman1860 Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    London, England
    It would be understandable if that played a role in swaying him on a 50-50 DOGSO decision (possible oxymoron alert). But this was 100% DOGSO. At every level. I can't understand considerations like Brazil's fragile mindset having an influence on that decision.
     
  2. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    And there is a Robben dive.

    Should be second yellow
     
  3. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona

    Problem is the super slow motion , it shows that oscar threw himself the second he saw blind putting his leg in there , but i guess you are right and it should have been a penalty since blind missed the ball and ended up colliding with oscar.
     
  4. OhRef

    OhRef Member

    May 22, 2006
    Explain that to the assessor........good luck with that one
     
  5. HoustonRef

    HoustonRef Member

    May 23, 2009
    You know, players do get off balance and fall. No foul, no dive.
     
  6. Andy Zilis

    Andy Zilis Member+

    Mar 9, 2005
    Rochelle, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not trying to explain it to an assessor. It was the wrong call and I'm guessing he knows it.

    I do think he saved himself a world of trouble for the rest of the game by not giving the red card, though. An early red card here could have sent this game spiraling out of control.
     
  7. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Agree, clear penalty . Even if Oscar embellished it, was still a clear plastic. The Dutch didn't touch the ball and his leg was clearly in such a way in front of Oscar that it was impossible for Oscar to avoid contact and not fall.

    This it shows this ref is bad to both sides. Two PKs to Brazil not called. One offside Dutch goal. One red for Brazil not given. PK for Holland should be a FK unless someone proves he was still being pulled inside the box
     
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  8. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Was a Pen on Robben. Though could have been handball.

    And now Soft foul called on RVP.
     
  9. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    Call it Fred Karma.
     
  10. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And another PK foul on Robben in the box that was not called. Easy PK. This is a total embarrassment.
     
  11. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The 2nd one was hilarious on replay. Defender slipped and got a foul for it.

    Dutch were through 2 on 1 on goal too.
     
  12. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Still images. Doesn't appear to have hold inside the box.

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  13. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    People here are talking about LOG which demands a red card for Silva even at two minutes of the game. We all know that refs don't give reds so early. If we demand a literal interpretation of the red card law for clear goal chance than why not demanding same thing for holding inside the box at at pieces?
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  14. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
  15. Spaceball

    Spaceball Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    I disagree refs don't give reds early. We've seen them given in the first minute in MLS for just this scenario This was so clear, that as an assessor, which i am, he would have failed the match instantly. That would be true whether I was assessing a youth referee or a referee on a pro match. It was inexcusable.

    As for the holding, it is just accepted and until their is a concerted crack down it will continue. No one referee can change it until it is a point if emphasis. That is on FIFA to do and it would trickle down. Some things are judgment calls even if holding is a clear emphasis. Under no circumstances is that red debatable. Whether the first or 90th minute it is a red card.

    Again not arguing it is not a foul, but just that is where the world is on this call. It has happened all Cup and will at the next one until their is a systematic change and not a single referee who suddenly makes that call.
     
  16. blech

    blech Member+

    Jun 24, 2002
    California
    Brazil left Fred on the bench... :rolleyes:
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The big question is, would Geiger have been worse?

    In all seriousness, this referee, Hamoudi, was terrible. He missed more close calls than he got right, didn't he?
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would you card Blind? (He was the Dutch defender, right?)
    It seems to me that MLS is successfully cracking down on this. But that's just within one league. You won't see Geiger or the other MLS FIFAs calling this in international matches.
     
  19. OhRef

    OhRef Member

    May 22, 2006
    This was not a good match by the crew. CMI in the first match handled incorrect and from there it appeared to have affected his mental outlook (IMO). The hole was dug and he kept digging. Just a bad day at the office.
     
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  20. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Geiger should have had this game.
     
  21. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was not a great performance.
     
  22. Hexa

    Hexa Member

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    IMO bad refereeing

    Two questionable goals (AR was at fault on both calls IMO) and no Penalty on DL. BUT, I till think it was poetic justice, Brazil had no answer for Nederland Tactical game. Nederland were clearly the better team today (too bad they lost to Arg on penalties).

    I hope the refs will have a better performance tomorrow. Go Germany!
     
  23. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    On the red card play, is the AR solely responsible for in/out of the PA? Or was the CR close enough and he just made the decision himself? I watched the play again and the CR veers slightly toward the site of the foul outside the PA before heading to call the PK. I also saw the AR yelling into his mic from another angle.
     
  24. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    I didn't watch the whole match, but saw the early penalty. Sorry, but because this was an exhibition (in essence), I'd bet any amount of money that one of the directions to this referee was "Don't send off someone unless you absolutely have to.". Doesn't excuse anything else he may or may not have missed, but I'm not the least bit surprised he pulled the yellow there.
     
  25. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably exactly the direction he got. But this was a absolute send off. Period.
     

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