Match 57: URU : FRA - PITANA (ARG)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018: Refereeing' started by balu, Jul 5, 2018.

  1. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    This is just not pleasant to watch.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did he actually just pull the NHL move with a card for the disrepute and a card for exaggeration? Or was that something else for Mbappe?
     
  3. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
    I think Pogba should have seen a card there. As well as several others for crowding Pitana
     
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  4. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    And people complained it took Geiger 3 minutes toe restart the match.
     
  5. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Sad to see a 19 yr old with such play acting. I was hoping the younger generation was going to skip that crap.
     
  6. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    Nice dummy by Pitana.
     
  7. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
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    I think it might have been for a kickout by him after getting slapped in the gut by the Uruguayan.

    But who knows. It's a mess.
     
  8. CanadaFTW

    CanadaFTW Member

    Jun 21, 2007
    Gotta to be simulation or USB on mbappe. Replay makes it clear that was the correct decision.
     
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  9. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    Did you ever considering that maybe—just maybe—there are different standards, precedents and interpretations between the legal profession and soccer refereeing?

    I mean, I wouldn’t walk into court and pretend I knew all the intricacies that the general public wouldn’t understand.
     
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  10. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

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    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Here's what the next generation is learning.
     
  11. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Aside from the prestige and honor, would anyone really like to referee at a tournament like this?
    It reminds me of some we know of with the bad reputations that have difficulty in getting referees to attend.
    Indiscipline, no respect and shrugged shoulders from the organizers.

    PH
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who got the card for Uruguay, though?

    The player who initially “hit” him? Or the player who first confronted him after we he went to ground?
     
  13. oxwof

    oxwof Member

    Sep 6, 2014
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    Arsenal FC
    Oh, good. So in soccer, there's not really a mens rea element. You can take it from there.
     
  14. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure someone on the board knows better than me but wasn't Busacca sent home from WC2010 after giving a red card to the host team GK?

    If so, he has apparently learned his lesson...
     
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  15. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    I've found that the people on this board that claim not to want discuss things further are the ones that won't let a conversation die.
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    He was. It was deemed not to be DOGSO and—wait for it—made its way into the Futuro clips.
     
  17. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welcome to my ignore file
     
  18. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Yeah, but there was and still maybe is debate about the accuracy of that decision.

    Many people argue the direction argument made that not be a red card. I think even FIFA has instructed that if you take the ball parallel to the goal that it's not DOGSO.

    But your overall point is great.
     
  19. oxwof

    oxwof Member

    Sep 6, 2014
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    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    One more and we'll have a meme.
     
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  20. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And, I think, it was against South Africa while playing, wait for it,

    Uruguay.

    Anyone want to run with the conspiracy theory? Have at it!
     
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  21. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    Also it was a double whammy that included an incorrect offside decision that led to the foul.

    And to tie it to this game, Suárez was the fouled player.
     
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  22. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    I also think the slight nature of the contact and clear selling of the foul made it more controversial than if the GK clearly wiped out the attacker.
     
  23. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    As a lawyer, then you should understand terms of art and use of words in law with meanings that may not be quite the same as that in the dictionary and that those meanings evolve through the common law as judges deal with different scenarios. Deliberate is a term of art in the Laws of the Game. Like many statutes, the LOTG are not written with great clarity in places. The powers that be have interpreted them over time. And not all of the interpretations square a strict reading of the language. And like the common law, those interpretations have a way of shifting with time, and sometimes create inconsistencies to work out.

    The general concept is that referees do not judge intent. (This was a change from the LOTG before the first great re-write, when the Laws said all fouls must be intentional--but that, too, had become a term of art that didn't really mean what the words said on the surface.) But you are right that the general rule is not absolute. There are times that context shows intent and factors into decision making. But to a non-trivial extent, IFAB has whittled away at that. For example, until recently a tactical foul was one committed for the purpose of stopping a promising attack; no more--now it is simply a foul that stops a promising attack.
     
  24. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
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    Sporting Kansas City
    Noel Kenny?
     
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  25. YoungRef87

    YoungRef87 Member

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    United States
    Jan 5, 2018
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