Match 20: BRA-PER - CUNHA (URU)

Discussion in 'Copa América 2016 - Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 12, 2016.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Country:
    United States
    Sunday June 12, 2016 - 8:30 (EDT) - Foxborough
    Referee: Andres Cunha

    Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Taran
    Assistant Referee 2: Richard Trinidad
    Fourth Official: Enrique Cacares (PAR)

    This thread is for all pre-match, play-by-play and post-match discussion and analysis of the refereeing team. Per the forum guidelines (http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/welcome-forum-guidelines.2032251/), this thread will be heavily moderated. For more general or partisan discussions of the match, please go to the general Group thread or the individual team forums.
     
  2. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    May 28, 2015
    New England
    Peruvians with 3 shoulder charges in their Area, most I've seen in a single game

    (Watching slightly delayed)
     
  3. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    Looks like the CR is going to have his hands full with simulation...
     
  4. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    May 28, 2015
    New England
    Missed penalty 24' ?
     
  5. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    So full he missed a foul in the area for each team in the first half...
     
  6. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    Well this got very exciting very suddenly...
     
  7. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
  8. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator
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    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Country:
    United States
    Where was he going as he walked up the field, and who was he talking to?
     
  9. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Avaya!
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Just...wow.
     
  10. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Country:
    Colombia
    Wow, hand of God
     
  11. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Wow, just a disastrous situation. Took forever for the crew to get their information together (the mass crowding of the players didn't help), and they end up not spotting the handball.
     
  12. PlayTheWhistle

    Jul 6, 2015
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The goal call will be discussed for quite some time!
     
  13. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    after the Ecuador game maybe a little karma
     
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  14. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I'd think an AAR would have spotted that one.
     
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  15. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Career ender
     
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  16. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I have to agree, perfect instance where you want someone there to have that additional pair of eyes to work with
     
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  17. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Dr. Joe just said they had the video "in the forensic room" immediately examining the evidence.
     
  18. gstommylee

    gstommylee Member+

    Oct 3, 2008
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    But the refs weren't allowed to use video review.
     
  19. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Avaya!
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Can you blame the referee team? The video from behind the goal made it clear, but neither the AR or CR would have been in position to see it.
     
  20. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    But Dr. Joe is on the case!
     
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  21. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    A. All of the replays I saw on the broadcast are rather ambiguous and one of them looks like it came off his thigh.
    B. I think you always call this if you see it, but was it deliberate? I don't know that he could have avoided it.
    C. I don't think the crew had any choice but to declare it a goal.
     
  22. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    https://streamable.com/b3hm

    For me, the last overhead angle appears to show a slight swinging motion towards the ball. In realtime, and with the other angles I think it may be hard to spot, but if I had that one on a video review I wouldn't allow the goal. Unfortunately we do not have that option yet, nor do we have AARs at this tournament, so I agree that this was very hard to call in real time with a single look.
     
  23. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    I think the AR had a decent look at it, and from his body language, seems very matter of fact and calm. So, he's on the mic with the the 4O who is 55 yds away? If the 4O put enough doubt in the ref's mind to ignore the AR, he served him very poorly.

    Ball in goal 74:45. Decision made 78:00. Fwiw, it looks like he indicates goal immediately after but didn't see that his ar had info for him. Regardless, he should know that the decision is between him and his AR. Make a decision and go with it. And if your AR sees something you didn't, go with him.
     
  24. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    Well after looking at it 10 times, I think I have to retract point B. o_O
     
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  25. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    View completely unobstructed
    No excuse for the AR to miss this

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