Match #20 - AUS : NED - HAIMOUDI (ALG)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014: Refereeing' started by Alberto, Jun 17, 2014.

  1. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Match #20 - 18 June 2014 - 12:00 EDT - Porto Alegre

    Officials
    • Referee: Djamel HAIMOUDI
      [​IMG]
      ALG
    • Assistant Referee 1: Redouane ACHIK (MAR)
    • Assistant Referee 2: Abdelhak ETCHIALI (ALG)
    • Fourth official: Bakary GASSAMA (GAM)
    This thread is for all pre-match, play-by-play and post-match discussion and analysis of the refereeing team. Per the forum guidelines (http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/welcome-forum-guidelines.2003380/), this thread will be heavily moderated. For more general or partisan discussions of the match, please go to the general Group thread or the individual team forums.
     
  2. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Anyone know much about Mr. Haimoudi??
     
  3. IARef96

    IARef96 Member

    Oct 19, 2010
    Clive, IA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The teams seem to be getting along well, but quite a few hard whistles already.
     
  4. Slaskwroclaw18

    Jun 26, 2011
    Philadelphia, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tim Cahill receives a yellow which means he will miss the next World Cup match. Interesting to note that this is the first players to be suspended for a game on yellow card accumulation. The rules for the WC have changed that Yellow card accumulations are not erased until after the quarterfinals (used to erase after the group stage). Believe this was done to give a player a better chance to play in the Final. Will be interesting to see how the tournament referees will deal with players with yellows in this tournament.
     
  5. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, surprised to see the defender go off on a stretcher after that. Yellow is definitely correct, but I wasn't expecting anyone to be injured for that challenge. The way they had his head braced must mean he tweeked something in his neck. Hope he's ok.
     
  6. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow.

    Oh crap

    I just don't think that's a good decision
     
  7. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Now we will see what this team is made of. Not much Janmaat could do about the hand ball.
     
  8. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Thought the handling call was well harsh tbh (as was the one on van Persie in the first half IMO).

    Should make for a fun game though. ;)
     
  9. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, that'll be a point of conversation.

    That one could have gone either way for me. It looked ball to hand, but it also looks like the defender extends the arm behind him just before the ball is kicked to make himself bigger.
     
  10. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    I would love to see FIFA specifically address this kind of play.
    Obviously ball to hand, but the hand is wide of his body and he clearly blocks a dangerous cross. Is the hand in a unnatural position? Probably not. Should he know better in the box? Certainly.
    As you can tell, I have no clue what the "correct" call is here.
     
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  11. IARef96

    IARef96 Member

    Oct 19, 2010
    Clive, IA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hard to say it's "deliberate" in that instance - almost like punishing the player for negligently extending his arm before he even knew the ball was coming in. Tough call, but based on our advice and the interpretations, I think it's a defensible call.
     
  12. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Good offside call, sloppy defending.
     
  13. IARef96

    IARef96 Member

    Oct 19, 2010
    Clive, IA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goodness gracious. Raining goals.
     
  14. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand how it got called, but (admittedly with the assistance of replay) I don't think it's right. Almost no distance between players and the hand was natural, even if it was slightly away from the body. You don't run with the hands next to your body so it's natural for me.

    Did it look like the ref hesitated for maybe 1.5-2 seconds on the call? It almost looked like he got info from another of his ref team. Weird.
     
  15. Englishref

    Englishref Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    London, England
    Another ridiculous penalty to add to the list. Not a chance that is deliberate. Hand by side, kicked hard from 2 yards. How anyone can see that as handball is beyond me. Poor.
     
  16. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But isn't that exactly what our instructions (at least in USSF) tell us what to do? The whole "arm in an unnatural position" part.
     
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  17. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hate being behind on Watch ESPN. I see everyone's post about something and then get to see it on the screen. At least I know when to look up from my work.
     
  18. IARef96

    IARef96 Member

    Oct 19, 2010
    Clive, IA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep - that's what I say in the following sentence.
     
  19. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    To me it looked like he moved the hand away from where he thought the cross would come, but we'll never know his intentions for sure so I guess I'll have to agree with IAR and say it's defensible...
     
  20. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    From someone not bound by USSF interpretations...

    Graham Poll ‏@Graham_Poll 7m
    Shocking penalty decision for handball against Holland. It's supposed to be deliberate. Oh dear.
     
  21. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    And again a handling call, he is really picky with them...
     
  22. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which naturally a skimmed over and didn't fully comprehend in my haste to reply. My bad :)
     
  23. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    :D :D

    van Persie already on a yellow and does that? Lucky boy...
     
  24. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not saying it's indefensible, just that I don't think it's a good decision

    There was an older amateur (retired pro) who I used to ref a bit when I was in college

    I gave a penalty very much like that for his side and after the game (and several refreshing beverages) he said "let me show you how it's done"

    That close, and at that level, they can play the ball right into an arm that happens to be extended. He said it works at least half the time (see Italy-Chile in WC 1998. Did we ever see Bouchardeau again?)
     
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  25. The411

    The411 Member

    Oct 12, 2013
    He should be gone. The ref has been diabolical
     

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