Match 17: USA-PAR - BASCUNAN (CHI)

Discussion in 'Copa América 2016 - Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 10, 2016.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Country:
    United States
    Saturday June 11, 2016 - 7:00 (EDT) - Philadelphia
    Referee: Julio Bascuñán

    Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Astroza
    Assistant Referee 2: Christian Schiemann
    Fourth Official: Jhon Pitti (PAN)

    This thread is for all pre-match, play-by-play and post-match discussion and analysis of the refereeing team. Per the forum guidelines (http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/welcome-forum-guidelines.2032251/), this thread will be heavily moderated. For more general or partisan discussions of the match, please go to the general Group thread or the individual team forums.
     
  2. IARef96

    IARef96 Member

    Oct 19, 2010
    Clive, IA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Country:
    United States
    Pumped for this one! Trying to see clearly through the tint of these Uncle Sam glasses.
     
  3. FL.lurker

    FL.lurker Member

    Feb 2, 2016
    This referee never should have been on this game. The horror tackle on FabJo inside of 10 minutes was an easy red, and we've already seen that referees in this tournament aren't shy about showing red on those tackles. But because he's already had one miss in favor of a big team, he now has doubt in his mind making that decision early.
     
  4. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    US free kick at 24th minute was level with the top of the semicircle but the referee sets the wall 1-2 yards in front of the penalty spot. Fail.
     
  5. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Been taking the assessor's course?:rolleyes:

    PH
     
  6. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    He didn't even use spray!
     
  7. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Lol FS1 color guy @ 42'. "There's absolutely nothing there".

    Slow-mo replay of Paraguayan player getting an elbow in the face.
     
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  8. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah, unfortunately I think Strong was committed to his stance then saw the elbow and just kinda kept rolling with it.
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Country:
    United States
    Brad Friedel is the color guy that said that.
     
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  10. FL.lurker

    FL.lurker Member

    Feb 2, 2016
    I'm more worried about him standing in a spot that blocks the short pass (at both ends).

    This was carry over from a few minutes before when Yedlin left the ball in play to wag his finger in the face of the guy that fouled Brooks.
     
  11. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Whoops, thought I heard him saw Brad's name when mentioning that. Thanks for the correction
     
  12. FL.lurker

    FL.lurker Member

    Feb 2, 2016
    Now he's been told at halftime of his two misses (tackle on FabJo and Yedlin elbow) and overcompensated the other way. He's lost the plot because his head is still on the last game.
     
  13. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Lost what plot? He's calling it tight. Players have to be smart enough to adjust. Yedlin deserved a caution in the first half. Got one iffy one and then made an idiotic tackle.
     
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  14. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Personally, I think the first caution definitely is deserving of some debate. However, once you've just received a caution, committing a seemingly harder tackle with a bit more contact probably should warrant a card as well and no surprise he was sent off.

    Overall, it does seem like there is more going against the US, but I think this is more frustration by the players rather than him trying to overcorrect.
     
  15. FL.lurker

    FL.lurker Member

    Feb 2, 2016
    He's refereeing scared. Desperately doesn't want to make another error like he gave Brazil.

    Not even looking to obvious advantages going both ways. A yellow card for dissent that is just :ROFLMAO: compared to where the bar has been in this tournament. This is how you choke a Sunday league game to death, not how a confident referee handles an international match.

    Were the two yellows justifiable in a vacuum? Sure. Are they worse than studs up over the ball into the inner shin? Never.
     
  16. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Haven't seen that before, referee cramp in 67'.

    Triggered by Jones clipping his heel perhaps?
     
  17. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Actually it happened in the Copa Del Rey final not too long ago. Similar situation, got on field treatment and continued shortly thereafter.

    The interesting thing to look at here, is how long is too long before the 4O should be subbed in?
     
  18. IARef96

    IARef96 Member

    Oct 19, 2010
    Clive, IA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Country:
    United States
    Absolutely triggered.
     
  19. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Country:
    United States
    #19 ColoradoRef, Jun 11, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2016
    These last 20 minutes could be fun. The US players don't seem to be playing very smart. Down a man and taking some cheap shots. Paraguay too, but they have nothing to lose.
     
  20. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Once again, a fan with a whistle trying to end the games from the stands :D

    Any instances of false whistles impacting play at the upper levels?
     
  21. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    The slide tackle from behind on Wood should have been red, not yellow. That was the textbook interpretation change back in the day.
     
  22. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Iffy? Looks 100% reckless to me: https://streamable.com/c7pv
     
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  23. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Country:
    United States
    Hadn't seen the first yellow, yet. I am in agreement that it's reckless. Two poor tackles, two cautions.
     
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  24. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Yelling got the two yellows he deserved. Brad Friedel rooting too hard on broadcast. Bias showing.
     
  25. o5iiawah

    o5iiawah Member

    Oct 31, 2008
    Was at the game so didnt get the benefit of slomo replay. Game seemed called out of utter fear- like one would call a game between Serbia and Albania or a Sunday league game between two ethnic restaurant teams that hate each other.

    Didnt hear Bradley but the dissent caution seems overly harsh given standards these days. Overall a pretty poor performance in a game that never really got flowing
     
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