Match 16: POL : SEN - SHUKRALLA (BHR)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018: Refereeing' started by code1390, Jun 17, 2018.

  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1 code1390, Jun 17, 2018
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 19, 2018
    Match #16
    Poland : Senegal
    Tuesday, 19 June 2018
    18:00 local time (11:00 EDT)
    Moscow (Otkritie)

    Referee: Nawaf Shukralla (BHR)
    AR1: Yaser Tulefar (BHR)
    AR2: Taleb Al Marri (QAT)
    Fourth Official: Abdulrah Al Jassim (QAT)
    Reserve AR: Mohamed Alhammadi (UAE)


    Video Assistant Referee: Artur Dias Soares (POR)
    AVAR1: Tiago Lopes Martins (POR)
    AVAR2: Hernan Maidana (ARG)
    AVAR3: Wilton Sampaio (BRA)
     
  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reserve AR: Mohamed Alhammadi (UAE)

    Video Assistant Referee: Artur Dias Soares (POR)
    AVAR1: Tiago Lopes Martins (POR)
    AVAR2: Hernan Maidana (ARG)
    AVAR3: Wilton Sampaio (BRA)
     
    MassachusettsRef repped this.
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bumping the thread up for kickoff. Shukralla is very experienced and has done well at FIFA tournaments. I like him a lot more than Irmatov, but my vote doesn't count...
     
  4. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd hope every ref in the tournament would get that 11th minute yellow, but since I'm not sure, I'll give him a bunch of credit there.
     
    MassachusettsRef repped this.
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good caution in a vacuum, but was pretty much the direct result of missing a foul at the other end, so that's a negative factor there.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He seems to have a high foul threshold today.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    45' - that seemed the sort of 2CT that would have been absolutely correct, but that FIFA probably doesn't want. Studs firmly on the boot/ankle of the plant leg. After being bold and getting the 11' caution, he just goes with a warning to the same player at 45'.
     
    code1390 and Ghastly Officiating repped this.
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good SPA card (borderline DOGSO) in the 49'.
     
    code1390 repped this.
  9. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Oh no. Oh no.

    (Referee waved on a player in the middle of a play while the ball was ping ponging around, and Poland back clears it right to the waved-on player, who walks it in on the keeper.)
     
    MassachusettsRef repped this.
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, our first real officiating controversy of the tournament?
     
    Patrick167 repped this.
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is Meola talking about? That was a normal place for the referee to wave a player back on.
     
    Geko repped this.
  12. Baka_Shinpan

    Baka_Shinpan Member

    Mar 28, 2011
    Between the posts
    Club:
    Vegalta Sendai
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  13. HoustonRef

    HoustonRef Member

    May 23, 2009
    Big error there on the part of the ref, waving the player on! His last game no doubt.
     
    Patrick167 repped this.
  14. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Haven't seen it. That sounds all kinds of wrong though.
     
  15. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    I would say it's a small error that had a huge consequence. What are the odds Poland does that at that exact time? But still an unfair result.
     
  16. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Sure, but it wasn't a "normal" moment in play.
     
    Patrick167 repped this.
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that leads to the question of whether it's an error at all. Because he has to wave him on at some point. So if he chose a low-risk time to do it and Poland made a dumb choice, is it really on him?

    I'm asking that somewhat rhetorically right now, because I truly want to see it again.
     
    KCbus and rh89 repped this.
  18. HoustonRef

    HoustonRef Member

    May 23, 2009
    Let's just say the timing was unfortunately terrible.
     
  19. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree strongly. A Poland defender just headed the ball 20 yards into the air towards the Senegal goal. There was nothing wrong with the moment the referee waved him on.

    [​IMG]
     
    Hattrix, KCbus, Soccerglue and 2 others repped this.
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The AR and FO clearly were not managing it well. I still haven't been able to pick up exactly when the CR gave the signal--if at all.
     
  21. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    I dunno. I mean, the rules/guidelines are designed precisely to avoid the result that happened. This isn't "on Poland" in any useful sense of the term, normatively. But the rules are not perfect.
     
    Patrick167 repped this.
  22. Chaik

    Chaik Member

    Oct 18, 2001
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Unclear to me how the referee was supposed to foresee a Poland player kicking a random ball to no one in his own half.
     
    MassachusettsRef repped this.
  23. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]

    I still see nothing wrong here. He waved the player on after a Poland player had headed the ball towards the Senegal goal. The signal is when the ball is in the air if you can't tell. The GIF didn't capture it well.
     
    Soccerglue and MassachusettsRef repped this.
  24. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Whether or not this is an error, this is the kind of play that leads to changes. There's going to be a lot of discussion after this about only letting players re-enter on stoppages of play.
     
    Thezzaruz, superdave, Mendel and 3 others repped this.
  25. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    I mean, if the Senegal player isn't waived on, that's a completely normal backclear. It wasn't like the Polish player acted irrationally or flubbed his kick. He just wasn't expecting an unaccounted-for Senegal player to be running on to the field.

    Maybe the result is unfortunate rather than the ref's fault, and I'm rooting for Senegal in this game (not strongly), but I don't think the argument that this is Poland's fault holds much water.
     
    Patrick167, yossarian, Ismitje and 2 others repped this.

Share This Page